41 Responses to “Audit of Safeguarding Arrangements in the Catholic Church in Ireland Volume 1 Dioceses Report”

  1. Martha says:

    Hi pauline,

    I agree with you (re your last post of 19 Nov 2012) that only the victims of violence and abuse are the ones who have the right to forgive.

    Personally, I try to understand those who have done me wrong – though that’s not to say I want to have anything more to do with them: I often don’t.

    Wishing you well,
    Martha

  2. pauline says:

    Well you know martha the mindset has been organised for so long now that it will take time for things to change.on one of the vidios of the demonstration at the church there was a lady who said a thing that was very revelating of this was a women talking of abuse said well no one is perfect we all have clay feet. this means that anything at all is forgivable. its untrue there are things that can never be forgotten by the victim who is the only one who has that right to forgive. by this way of seeing things well everythind can be forgiven because of clay feet. But thats a lausy excuse.

  3. Martha says:

    Hi Paddy, I hope you are well.

    For all I know, you could be “lying on the flooor” i.e., dead, and nobody knows about your wellbeing.

    You’re very quiet these days … hope your’e ok …

    Regards,
    Martha

  4. Martha says:

    Pauline wrote:-

    “All this bad treatment everywhere makes a lot of nasty people being trusted with the future adults It seems that everywhere thay went in the world there is a sore left in society.Its best brought out into the open its the only way it could stop.”

    I agree, Pauline. The trouble is, those of us Irish (who live in Ireland) who want to bring the truth about how our Socio-Political system actually works are a small minority in Ireland. And we’re not very popular as a result …

    Still, I for one, will carry on doing my personal bit.

  5. Martha says:

    The Childrens Referendum was given the OK last Saturday. Was that because the Irish people approved it, or what?

    In any event, we’re still a backward country when it comes to our treatment of children – not just other peoples’ children, but our own offspring. What a sad country Ireland is.

    Maybe it has something to do with our geographical location? I dunno, but I (being Irish myself) like the Irish climate – the gentle veils of rain, and all that :)

  6. Nome De Guerre says:

    Here I would like to pay homage to the Australien policeman Peter Fox who never gave up investigating crimes by the Roman Church and various orders. Thanks to him the prime minister made the historical decision to instigate a Royal Commission. This is a rare move even in the UK and it senda a strong signal to all Australiens that child protection is a top priority, it allso sens a signal to the Roman Catholic Church that it will be subject to the full force of the law in uncovering its participation and cover up of what many now fear are numerous sexual abuse of children and even murder. We have Saville and N Ireland and now Australia so there is reason for hope. Meanwhile in the so called republic “What”?.

  7. pauline says:

    All this bad treatment everywhere makes a lot of nasty people being trusted with the future adults It seems that everywhere thay went in the world there is a sore left in society.Its best brought out into the open its the only way it could stop.

  8. Nome De Guerre says:

    Paddy, at last the news has come that a full scale child abuse investigation is to be carried out in Australia . It has come after a decade long struggle by brave people and even some honest police. Australia has been hit hard by clerical child abuse and one order has drawn particular attention to itself namely the Irish Christain Brothers. This is an historical moment for Australia and its people. Meanwile the UK is rocked by the revealations of Saville and the abuse in North Wales care homes. Then N Ireland is getting under way with the Sir Richard Hart enquiry mainly concerning Roman Catholic homes run by brothers and nuns.Things are happening for the better and things are going very wrong for the Roman Church, What next?.

  9. Martha says:

    Raymond wrote:-

    “I am saddened to NOT have seen here, any mention whatsoever of the imminent referendum.
    I am sad that, for all the arguing of each side, either the State (with its Agents and Agencies) will benefit, or the Family.
    But it will do nothing for the Rights of Children.
    It is as if, on some level, none of the horrors of the last 2, 5, 10, 20 or 30 years ever happened (from the victims or from the Child’s perpective)”

    Hi Raymond,

    I feel sad about this too, but I’m not really surprised.

    As you rightly say, this Referendum will do nothing for Irish children. And in the light of the Supreme Court ruling on Mark McCrystal’s court challenge to it, it should be called off next Saturday. At the very least, it should be postponed until the Irish people are given time to consider its contents.

    As far as I’m concerned, children are still regarded as objects by the majority of Irish parents – and the State (Irish government) don’t give a damn about the Irish electorate, never mind children. So, if this referendum goes ahead on Saturday, I’ll be voting NO.

  10. Martha says:

    Mary Collins wrote:-

    “Well dear Martha at least you had your siblings to ride the storm with yes your so lucky.”

    FYI, Mary, my siblings were also seriously maternally deprived as infants and young children, which is the reason why we became effectively estranged from each other as adults.

    And yes, I do consider myself lucky. I’m not as “well-heeled” as my siblings but I wouldn’t swop places with any of them.

  11. Raymond says:

    I am saddened to NOT have seen here, any mention whatsoever of the imminent referendum.

    I am sad that, for all the arguing of each side, either the State (with its Agents and Agencies) will benefit, or the Family.

    But it will do nothing for the Rights of Children.

    It is as if, on some level, none of the horrors of the last 2, 5, 10, 20 or 30 years ever happened (from the victims or from the Child’s perpective).

  12. Mary Collins says:

    Well dear Martha at least you had your siblings to ride the storm with yes your so lucky.

  13. Martha says:

    Hi Pauline,

    you wrote:-

    ” … but things are changing. people have cast away the shame that was caused to single perents.”

    Irish society is changing, but only in a very superficial way. From my experience of Irish adults (mothers included) they are not as mature and evolved as they like to think they are. If they were, we wouldn’t have the same bunch of gobshites in power after 90 years of so-called Independence.

    Meantime, I will carry on living by my own principles, as I have always done, especially since I became a mother some 30 years ago :)

  14. Martha says:

    Mary Collins wrote:-

    “Hi Pauline. …

    Martha you sound very bitter Pauline had a horrendous time in the home and your comments are insulting to her and others. Lucky you as you haven’t got a clue.”

    Hi Mary,

    I’m not at all bitter. Angry, yes, but not bitter. The truth often hurts, but I’m not responsible for the feelings of other adults. For example, lots of people don’t like the way I walk, or talk, or dress etc., but that’s their problem, not mine. Btw, I love cooking and gardening. I suppose I’m lucky?

    The first thing I’d really like to say (and not for the first time) is, I wouldn’t live my life as a child again. I may not have spent my childhood in an Industrial School, but my childhood was one long nightmare, because I (along with my siblings) was effectively bereft of a mother – as were the vast majority of Irish children – because of the “invasion” of Roman Catholicism.

    Life is a “lottery”. In other words, LUCK plays a big part in our personal life. The rest is up to us, as an individual. I made the best of my life, and I’ll continue to do so til the day I die.

    As they say in New York City: “Try to have Nice Day” (the key word is TRY).

    Good luck :)

  15. pauline says:

    Hello martha. Well when i mention mothers i know that most people here dident have one either so i wasent even talking about mine.Well of course the reason the abuse has lasted so long in ireland is because of the interference by the church into the very bedrooms of people. this danger is still present in the power circles as you can see thay still give opinions about childrens education. perhaps your right about the rest of the population but things are changing. people have cast away the shame that was caused to single perents.

  16. Martha says:

    Pauline, this is a PS

    You wrote-

    :”Thats why we are different from others”

    We are all NATURALLY different from others – which is usually something to celebrate, not complain about. Think about that, Pauline …

  17. Mary Collins says:

    Hi Pauline.

    Don’t ever say survivors are a bit backwards far from it. The only backward people are the scum that left the abuse go on. And the group of bully boys in cork who have there own click of survivors. Yes we are different I don’t need a university degree on counselling you see I know how every form of abuse affects are life’s. Pauline why are you bother about what Martha thinks she is the lucky one. She wasn’t sent to the industrial schools and abused over her mother. Martha you sound very bitter Pauline had a horrendous time in the home and your comments are insulting to her and others. Lucky you as you haven’t got a clue.

  18. Martha says:

    Hi Pauline,

    I didn’t mean to insult you, I was trying to explain to you that I empathise with you in that I too suffered a lot as a child because my mother was emotionally absent. Like MOST other mothers in Holy Catholic Ireland, my mother was so caught up just surviving from day to day, as a wife and mother. In other words, I (like my siblings) was a “motherless child” too.

    I know I got some Maternal Love from other women in my childhood, but it was sporadic and very limited. Therefore, I experienced a great deal of emotional pain as a young and not so young adult before I could accept the painful reality of my childhood. In other words, I had to grieve the loss of my mother – and that tooks years to finally accept.

    I just want to say, I don’t think I would have been able to fully understand my own mother until I became a mother myself. Sadly, my mother only came to her senses on her death bed, many years later.

    So, Pauline, I hope this helps you understand what I said in my previous post.

    Martha

  19. pauline says:

    I really dont understand your comment Martha If i upset you well thats you. Of course you are right about the occupation of Ireland by the roman catholic war mongers but not everyone is able to say I am an adult. When a whole part of our lives are taken over by anyone else well we dont become adults.In order to grow we need to have been children first. When that part is missing of course we dont grow to our full development. Thats why we are different from others. A bit backward you might say but thats what happened to many of us without any basic knowledge of how to get by we were left to care for ourselves. friendly fire victims.

  20. robert says:

    What has the Education Office done for survivors themselves?
    They stole the finances so much needed for HEALING by forcing the survivors to pay this office with the money left to them for PERSONAL healing.
    Mr. Quinn we will not rest for this, yet another crime AGAINST SURVIVORS.

  21. Martha says:

    Dear Pauline,

    Every time I read your comments, my heart bleeds for you.

    You’re not the only one who was deprived of a mother here in Holy Catholic Ireland. I was too, and I wasn’t put into a place like Goldenbridge, or any other of those hellholes where children were subjected to twisted sadistic adults.

    I think we Irish are the tip of the iceberg, as it were, when it comes to the ultimate end-game of the Great British/Roman Empire. By that I mean, we Irish have let ourselves be ruled by the insane for far too long.

    Maybe its the inevitable fate of Humanity?

  22. robert says:

    How many schools children were push to and fro were not on the agenda of redress,
    Racial abuse was not on the agenda
    children born outside ireland forced into catholic religious institutions were not on the redress agenda.
    why??? because groups mainly represented their own schools they covered.
    how many more things pertaining to this abuse were not covered by the stupid agenda set up for a point system? serious accidents? as we know there were many who ended up in hospitals. How can a point system deter how one really suffered?
    work unpaid was something that should also be looked at as we all come of age and so many now struggling on pensions of no value.
    We are of a democratic country fought for by the lives of Irish men and women least we all forget.
    Our democratic rights were abused also.
    ONCE MORE CHILDREN WERE EXEMPT FROM ALL FUNDS SO HERE WE ALSO HAVE NEGLECT AGAINST CHILDREN ONCE AGAIN.

  23. robert says:

    Hey you all the Right of Place has made a statement to the Irish Examiner stating an argument
    and I quote:Let me begin by congratulating Conor Ryan for his excellent piece (Oct 1) on highlighting the difficulties between the Government and the religious orders over the payment of a 50/50 share of redress to people abused in industrial institutions.
    However, there are some very important points to be made, and these highlight some misconceptions around this unseemly row.

    * There is no further monetary redress for people who were abused in institutional care.

    * This row is about the Government and the religious orders sharing the cost of redress, which has already been paid out!

    * A very small part of this row concerns the additional Statutory Institutions Fund (€110m).

    Well well here we are acceptance of government and religious decisions with no respect toward survivors and their views.
    SURVIVORS WOULD NEVER HAVE AGREED TO THIS IF THEY ACTUALLY KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT BUT SOME HOW WE CAN SEE THE GROUPS ARE PUTTING THEIR BIG FOOT IN IT ONCE AGAIN THE DEALS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

    NO ONE mentioned anything about a 50 50 deal for years previous to the redress or anytime after, certainly before Mr Bloody Quinn spearheaded this insult and then claiming most of the 110 million lousy euro for payment for his own office ” EDUCATION FUND YET AGAIN”

    THE ONLY TIME I EVER HEARD OF THIS ROBBERY WAS WHEN QUINN BECAME EDUCATION MINISTER SO RIGHT OF PLACE WHO AGREED THIS HOG WASH THIS HUSH HUSH THIS INSULT TO EVERY SINGLE SURVIVOR?

    HOW DARE YOU MAKE SUCH STATEMENTS ON OUR BEHALF IT IS SHOCKING THAT THIS HAS BEEN EVEN INVENTED BY TWO QUILTY PARTIES WHO COMMITTED THE CRIMES AGAINST WHOLE CHILDHOODS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW STRUGGLING, IN HOSPITALS, WITH DISABILITIES, IN REST HOMES, IN REHABS, ON THE STREETS, IN REMOTE RURAL AREAS. ON PENSIONS, ON WELFARE,
    THIS 50 50 DEAL IS THE ONLY TIME IN IRISH HISTORY THAT SUCH A CLAIM WAS MADE WHY???? RIGHT OF PLACE PLEASE CLOSE YOUR DOORS AS THERE IS NOTHING WORSE FOUND DUMPED DOWN THE TOILET THAN THE HISTORY OF SO CALLED SURVIVOR GROUPS.

    SURVIVORS OF BOTH SCHOOLS AND LAUNDRIES ARE BEING ROBBED BLIND LED BY YOU SO CALLED GROUP LEADERS. THE SERVANTS OF THE DIRTY WORKS DISHED OUT BY GUILTY PARTIES THE IRISH GOVERNMENT AND THE RELIGIOUS OFFICES

  24. pauline says:

    REligion is knitted into society in many places I have known this for many years now Saying it openly is a new experence. it doesnt shock me at all. Children in Ireland go to confession to have the notion of sin dug into them from childhood.There is so much to learn but having mind blocking lessons twice as much as elsewhere. is damaging. I hope that new generations will be allowed to question things. Its differcult to relate to my mother during my childhood as i dident know her . i spent time in g.b. But i left ireland many many years ago.

  25. Martha says:

    pauline wrote”-

    ” … protecting children has nothing to do with religion.”

    It never had.

    It must have come as shock to you as an adult, pauline, to realise this fact. Its a bit like realising your own mother didn’t love you as a child. Not necessarily because she was “evil”, but because she was either terrified of those who controlled her, or because, she was just plain ignorant …

    I had to come to terms with my personal past, pauline. It wasn’t fun, but I had to do it in order to be a normal adult myself.

  26. pauline says:

    The wars of all sorts have affected generations_. All this patriotism and religion have taken thier toll. Singing danny boy and feeling nostalgic is one of the things that i dont get . Oh i like the song too but its no more Irish than snakes. Fear is part of warfare.People in ireland between the ira the british army and the church dident have time to develop behond the basics. all keeping housebound so many women because of children coming too often. laws on one side and laws on the other protecting children has nothing to do with religion.

  27. AMY says:

    WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND. IRELAND EVIL ONE WORD.

  28. VERONICA says:

    IRELAND IS A SICK COUNTRY.DONT NO WHAT PLANET THERE ON.

  29. caroline says:

    MINISTER QUINN CARES FOR ONLY HIMSELF AND THE GOVERMMENT LOOK AT BRITAIN THEY WILL DO EVERY THING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ABUSE WILL BE DEALT WITH.WITH THE JIMMY SAVILLE CASE THERE WILL BE PROPER JUSTICE IN ENGLAND SHAME ON IRELAND.

  30. robert says:

    Lets put this as it is
    An innocent mother gives birth to a beautiful child, then just because that mother fears God the Catholic church decides she is a harlot and takes the child, but then allows their own sexual predators behave like the very demon itself it is like sacrificing innocent blood to satan.
    Though I actually believe this “IS THE SACRIFICE OF INNOCENT BLOOD TO SATAN HIMSELF BY HIS SERVANTS OF A HELL TITLED “THE VATICAN” BIBLICALLY ACCURATE ” HELL IS UPON THE EARTH THE REALM OF SATAN. NOW WE SEE THE TRUE MEANING WOLVES DISGUISED AS LAMBS.
    By the way Minister Quinn you are also a servant of this order, the only people who benefit from your education fund is your own office for the ridiculous wages you screw the tax payer for. Your Government and Religion are just as husband and bride you are married together in evil and death. But your day will come and the light will shine so bright that all your works will be exposed as evil as they were and are. You and this religion have destroyed thousands of lives and that is just far too big for you both to cover up. The future will expose those crimes against the Irish people

  31. Martha says:

    Robert wrote:-

    “Say NO to the Vatican”

    You’re right, Robert. Unfortunately, the Vatican and their RC cohorts and apologists (still plenty of ’em in Ireland!) have a logic of their own; they don’t listen to their objectors or opponents.

    Its a bit like politely asking a burglar to leave your home, know what I mean?

  32. Raymond says:

    Watch out for this film >> Mea Maxima Culpa

    said Gibney: “My aim for the film is to provoke outrage but also to provoke admiration for these deaf men who would not be silenced and were so determined for so long to have their voices heard. They’ve had an impact by getting the church to disgorge through legal action some of its secrets, and secrecy after all is at the heart of criminality here……. I look forward look forward to coming to Ireland next year when the film is released and having the opportunity to present my film, and discuss the issues it raises.””

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/395359/20121017/alex-gibney-catholic-church-sex-abuse-scandal.htm

  33. Robert says:

    Say NO to the Vatican

  34. pauline says:

    Thanks Mary lovely photo If defending the faith does that to a mans mind i would rather question things It takes a lot of arrogance to impose that around him after so many cases of abuse.No one interfered though. that is stupifying.

  35. Martha says:

    pauline wrote:-

    “By using the word friendship the Bishop is putting the victim on the same level as the abuser. this is horrable.”

    What else do you else from an adult who has been a lifelong member an organisation (cult, institution, call it what you will) to say? I think its called “Defending the Faith”.

  36. Martha says:

    caroline wrote:-

    “vatican church nuns and priest and the government.are all corrupt they think they are untouchable.one day justice will prevail and they will pay for there sins.”

    That’s if we humans don’t become extinct before then. Justice doesn’t always prevail, much as we might like it to …

  37. pauline says:

    By using the word friendship the Bishop is putting the victim on the same level as the abuser. this is horrable.

  38. caroline says:

    vatican church nuns and priest and the government.are all corrupt they think they are untouchable.one day justice will prevail and they will pay for there sins.

  39. Martha says:

    From the article:-

    “Children should have access to good role models they can trust, who will respect and nurture their spiritual, physical and emotional development. They also have a right to an environment free from abuse and neglect.”

    Its a pity that the adults who wrote this “audit” (or whatever its called) were deprived of a childhood themselves. But then, that’s Life in places such as Roman Catholic Ireland – the Lunatics get to be in charge :-)

    “Lave em at it!” as me granny would say.

    Goodnight everybody, and good luck!

  40. frank o'shea says:

    While the Vatican remains a corporate entity actively and persistently working for and in the interests of paedophilia and misogyny, no child and no female will be permitted safe passage.
    The report isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. As for the HSE, shower of conniving political and scheming scumbags.
    Nothing in any of this shite should be held up to be anything other than a sham.
    More of the cover up and time-wasting that has been government policy in Ireland since the foundation of the state.

  41. pauline says:

    Well the most shocking thing i have heard in a long time was when the bishop decided to transfer a priest suspected of abusing children. this in Ireland. He imposed his decision on the others working with him. How can men who are responsable possably believe in friendship between a child and an adult. And that this friendship crossed bounderys If men like that are in a situation of importance as far as child protecton is concerned its like taking men out of prisons as pedophiles to sit on the board. Nothing will change. Thay dont understand the importance of childhood

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