Comments on: Bishops meet victims ahead of ‘mini-synod’ http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/ Child abuse, Dystonia, Valium, Disability Status Commission Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:33:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kathleen O'Malley. "Childhood Interrupted" http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/comment-page-1/#comment-2419 Kathleen O'Malley. "Childhood Interrupted" Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:08:53 +0000 http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/#comment-2419 As I sit at my computer in the U.K. and read your website Paddy, once again I question who gave these so called Representatives the rght to speak on my (our)behalf. Were I to meet them I might feel differently. Our decisions are being made by a no face group, and certainly betraying us all over again as with the Commission and Redress Board. I have met C. Buckley on one occasion when I visited the Centre. I felt a devasting pang then, of despair seeing the Survivors present be subservient and treating C.Bucley as we used to the Nuns. My conclusion on my speedy departure was she controlled the Survivors there. Her interest died when she learnt I would not be of assistace to her in promoting her agenda. I hope to join you in the March, Paddy. Perhaps a Monument, a Sculpture of a Priest and Nun with Slapper and Leather Strap in their hands with neglected, malnutitioed children (as we were) in the forground. For future generations to be reminded of. "LEST IT BE FORGOTTEN". We would then know that the abusers had been exposed. Kathleen O'Malley. lISTENING TO THE LATEST NEWS THE POPE HAS FINALLY ATTEMPTED TO MAKE AN APOLOGY TO IRELAND AND ITS CHILDREN. KEEP UP THE PRESSURE. As I sit at my computer in the U.K. and read your website Paddy, once again I question who gave these so called Representatives the rght to speak on my (our)behalf. Were I to meet them I might feel differently. Our decisions are being made by a no face group, and certainly betraying us all over again as with the Commission and Redress Board. I have met C. Buckley on one occasion when I visited the Centre. I felt a devasting pang then, of despair seeing the Survivors present be subservient and treating C.Bucley as we used to the Nuns. My conclusion on my speedy departure was she controlled the Survivors there. Her interest died when she learnt I would not be of assistace to her in promoting her agenda.
I hope to join you in the March, Paddy.
Perhaps a Monument, a Sculpture of a Priest and Nun with Slapper and Leather Strap in their hands with neglected, malnutitioed children (as we were) in the forground. For future generations to be reminded of. “LEST IT BE FORGOTTEN”. We would then know that the abusers had been exposed.
Kathleen O’Malley.
lISTENING TO THE LATEST NEWS THE POPE HAS FINALLY ATTEMPTED TO MAKE AN APOLOGY TO IRELAND AND ITS CHILDREN.
KEEP UP THE PRESSURE.

]]> By: Hanora Brennan http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/comment-page-1/#comment-2391 Hanora Brennan Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:04:20 +0000 http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/#comment-2391 I would rather have Paddy Doyle represent me than any person at that table on the 3 June or 2 June what ever day it was! Others who worry about survivors being abused by survivors need to question their own integrity on this issue. Researching these groups has thrown up some very interesting information! As I've said before, your reputation is all you take with you at your departure from this 'mortal coil' and reputations will be ruined over this sordid saga. How cheaply they all sold out for! I would rather have Paddy Doyle represent me than any person at that table on the 3 June or 2 June what ever day it was! Others who worry about survivors being abused by survivors need to question their own integrity on this issue. Researching these groups has thrown up some very interesting information! As I’ve said before, your reputation is all you take with you at your departure from this ‘mortal coil’ and reputations will be ruined over this sordid saga. How cheaply they all sold out for!

]]> By: Paddy http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/comment-page-1/#comment-2339 Paddy Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:31:30 +0000 http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/#comment-2339 Get your facts right Peter before putting them down on paper so to speak. Have a nice day! Paddy. Get your facts right Peter before putting them down on paper so to speak. Have a nice day! Paddy.

]]> By: Peter Quinn http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/comment-page-1/#comment-2337 Peter Quinn Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:33:42 +0000 http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/#comment-2337 Paddy, Thanks for that reply, but regardless of whatever way you put it, you attended the government conference on a SOCA UK invitation as part of its delegation and presumably are satisfied as to the bona fides of that particular “representative group" with whom you say you have worked in a spirit of harmony. Does that harmony extend to satisfaction with their mandate to enter into discussions with government and the church on matters relating to the Survivors or is it simply this, that a few days prior to the meeting of 3rd June last, you wrote an email to some of the "representative groups" asking for a place at the conference but only Mick Waters of SOCA UK extended an invite? Is that the spirit of harmony you refer? Because you presumably asked for an invitation directly from the Office of An Taoiseach pointing out your independent voice, but were told they were only inviting groups? When you wrote to the groups seeking to attend on their invitations did you take the opportunity to tell them they have no mandate to speak on behalf of the Survivors? Your subsequent appointment by government to sit on the National memorial committee along with Bernadette Fahy of the Aislinn Centre arose from your participation at that conference. Like yourself, Bernadette is an author who has written of her own experiences in the Industrial Schools. As you have harmonious relationships with SOCA UK - a highly incestuous and most secretive group indeed,perhaps you would ask them to explain the whereabouts of the enormous sums of public money paid over the past nine years including the proceeds of rental earnings at the property in Parnell Square? Like the Right of Place gang in Cork - it’s the money and property that will catch them in the end. Corruption is rather like that, there's usually a grubby audit trail to follow. Paddy, Thanks for that reply, but regardless of whatever way you put it, you attended the government conference on a SOCA UK invitation as part of its delegation and presumably are satisfied as to the bona fides of that particular “representative group” with whom you say you have worked in a spirit of harmony. Does that harmony extend to satisfaction with their mandate to enter into discussions with government and the church on matters relating to the Survivors or is it simply this, that a few days prior to the meeting of 3rd June last, you wrote an email to some of the “representative groups” asking for a place at the conference but only Mick Waters of SOCA UK extended an invite? Is that the spirit of harmony you refer? Because you presumably asked for an invitation directly from the Office of An Taoiseach pointing out your independent voice, but were told they were only inviting groups? When you wrote to the groups seeking to attend on their invitations did you take the opportunity to tell them they have no mandate to speak on behalf of the Survivors? Your subsequent appointment by government to sit on the National memorial committee along with Bernadette Fahy of the Aislinn Centre arose from your participation at that conference. Like yourself, Bernadette is an author who has written of her own experiences in the Industrial Schools. As you have harmonious relationships with SOCA UK – a highly incestuous and most secretive group indeed,perhaps you would ask them to explain the whereabouts of the enormous sums of public money paid over the past nine years including the proceeds of rental earnings at the property in Parnell Square? Like the Right of Place gang in Cork – it’s the money and property that will catch them in the end. Corruption is rather like that, there’s usually a grubby audit trail to follow.

]]> By: Paddy http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/comment-page-1/#comment-2333 Paddy Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:07:18 +0000 http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/#comment-2333 Peter. I wasn't going to bother replying to your post, however it is necessary that I do so so that you can be put right on some of your statements. Mick Waters did NOT push my wheelchair into the conference room. I announced at the meeting that though I was at the SOCA UK table I was independent and not representing anyone as I had no mandate to do so. This did not prevent me from making a comment or in fact a few comments which were well received even if I say so myself. I can only presume that my appointment to the Memorial Committee was made on merit and dare I say it having worked on other government committees over many years. Maybe, just maybe, someone saw I had experience, I don't know. If there are those cant see a contradiction in "all of this", that's their problem, not mine. There were many people at that meeting with the government who purported to have a mandate and yet none could say how many members it was representing. I know nothing whatever about SOCA UK's business. I've met Mick Waters and Andrew Brennan a few times and worked with them in a spirit of harmony. As to other issues regarding properties and SOCA UK I know positively nothing. I respectfully suggest you direct those questions to Mr. Waters as he's best placed to answer them should he choose to. As to when The God Squad was published, it's hardly relevant. How kind of you to say "Fair play to you on that score Paddy". Am I supposed to be grateful? I don't do grateful!! Peter. I wasn’t going to bother replying to your post, however it is necessary that I do so so that you can be put right on some of your statements.
Mick Waters did NOT push my wheelchair into the conference room. I announced at the meeting that though I was at the SOCA UK table I was independent and not representing anyone as I had no mandate to do so. This did not prevent me from making a comment or in fact a few comments which were well received even if I say so myself. I can only presume that my appointment to the Memorial Committee was made on merit and dare I say it having worked on other government committees over many years. Maybe, just maybe, someone saw I had experience, I don’t know. If there are those cant see a contradiction in “all of this”, that’s their problem, not mine. There were many people at that meeting with the government who purported to have a mandate and yet none could say how many members it was representing. I know nothing whatever about SOCA UK’s business. I’ve met Mick Waters and Andrew Brennan a few times and worked with them in a spirit of harmony. As to other issues regarding properties and SOCA UK I know positively nothing. I respectfully suggest you direct those questions to Mr. Waters as he’s best placed to answer them should he choose to.

As to when The God Squad was published, it’s hardly relevant. How kind of you to say “Fair play to you on that score Paddy”. Am I supposed to be grateful? I don’t do grateful!!

]]> By: Peter Quinn http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/comment-page-1/#comment-2325 Peter Quinn Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:12:36 +0000 http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/#comment-2325 Its not about point scoring Paddy - fair play to you for attending the meeting with government on 3rd June last - but you did get a seat at the table on the SOCA UK invitation as a member of its delegation and their Mick Waters pushed your wheelchair into the conference room. Nobody is saying you were wrong to have participated at the meeting - but the record is there - the government didn’t invite any independent persons to the meeting. Your subsequent appointment by government to the Memorial committee is not being questioned either - fair play to you - I think its fine - but as I said, there are some who would see a contradiction in all this. Those people might say “where is Paddy’s mandate to speak to government on our behalf or to represent our views views on a National memorial committee" and what is his relationship with SOCA UK and its money grubbing activities, and I mean substantial sums, apart from the ridiculous bed and breakfast business in Parnell Square that opened in 2004 but was closed last year. Whatever happened to all the income from that little enterprise that was supposedly run for the benefit of the Survivors? A long overdue word on these matters from the illustrious Mick Waters, the man who titles himself “The Founder of SOCA” must come some day - perhaps when a proper inquiry is established. On a final point, Paddy's book was published long before the TV screening of Dear Daughter and it must be accepted that Paddy Doyle was a key figure in launching the revelations on the Irish abuse scandals. Fair Play to you on that score Paddy. Its not about point scoring Paddy – fair play to you for attending the meeting with government on 3rd June last – but you did get a seat at the table on the SOCA UK invitation as a member of its delegation and their Mick Waters pushed your wheelchair into the conference room. Nobody is saying you were wrong to have participated at the meeting – but the record is there – the government didn’t invite any independent persons to the meeting. Your subsequent appointment by government to the Memorial committee is not being questioned either – fair play to you – I think its fine – but as I said, there are some who would see a contradiction in all this. Those people might say “where is Paddy’s mandate to speak to government on our behalf or to represent our views views on a National memorial committee” and what is his relationship with SOCA UK and its money grubbing activities, and I mean substantial sums, apart from the ridiculous bed and breakfast business in Parnell Square that opened in 2004 but was closed last year. Whatever happened to all the income from that little enterprise that was supposedly run for the benefit of the Survivors? A long overdue word on these matters from the illustrious Mick Waters, the man who titles himself “The Founder of SOCA” must come some day – perhaps when a proper inquiry is established. On a final point, Paddy’s book was published long before the TV screening of Dear Daughter and it must be accepted that Paddy Doyle was a key figure in launching the revelations on the Irish abuse scandals. Fair Play to you on that score Paddy.

]]> By: Paddy http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/comment-page-1/#comment-2320 Paddy Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:47:42 +0000 http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/#comment-2320 Yes, I will represent you as best I can. Thanks for your trust in me and your faith in my ability to represent anyone. Paddy. Yes, I will represent you as best I can. Thanks for your trust in me and your faith in my ability to represent anyone. Paddy.

]]> By: Paddy http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/comment-page-1/#comment-2319 Paddy Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:29:58 +0000 http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/#comment-2319 You are of course entitled to your opinion - nobody is going to deny you that. Just to clarify a few points. Yes I did attend a meeting with the government on 3rd of June 2009 but in an independent capacity. I wouldn't dare to speak for people that was not mandated to speak on behalf of. My appointment to the Memorial Committee was not sought by me, I was requested to do so by the Minister for Education. While there is no doubt that Christine Buckley has played a major role in the highlighting of abuse of children in care principally through the documentary "Dear Daughter", I would remind you that my book "The God Squad" was written years before the screening of that documentary. I'm not in the business of scoring points, I don't want to engage in such trivia. I'm merely putting the record straight. Paddy. You are of course entitled to your opinion – nobody is going to deny you that. Just to clarify a few points. Yes I did attend a meeting with the government on 3rd of June 2009 but in an independent capacity. I wouldn’t dare to speak for people that was not mandated to speak on behalf of. My appointment to the Memorial Committee was not sought by me, I was requested to do so by the Minister for Education. While there is no doubt that Christine Buckley has played a major role in the highlighting of abuse of children in care principally through the documentary “Dear Daughter”, I would remind you that my book “The God Squad” was written years before the screening of that documentary. I’m not in the business of scoring points, I don’t want to engage in such trivia. I’m merely putting the record straight. Paddy.

]]> By: Peter Quinn http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/comment-page-1/#comment-2300 Peter Quinn Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:06:58 +0000 http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/#comment-2300 I must say I am surprised to hear those sentiments about Christine Buckley - she and her people at Aislinn have worked a great deal to raise the issue of abuse in Ireland down the years. I don’t think its fair to speak of her like that - she doesn’t deserve it. As for a mandate to speak with Church and State, didn’t Paddy attend the round table meeting with government on 3rd June last and was Paddy not appointed to the National memorial committee by government a short while back? There are some begrudgers who would ask, well, who gave Paddy a mandate to enter into discussions with government and why didn’t he seek public endorsement before accepting his post on that committee he sits as a representative of the Survivors? Lets be fair now - I have to agree With Martha on this much,that the Irish seems to have a disturbing masochistic streak as well as a destructive backbiting inclination. Whilst its quite correct to expose the money grubbers and their paymasters, lashing out at everyone just for its own sake is quite another thing. Christine Buckley started the ball rolling on the abuse saga and deserves her place in all this. I must say I am surprised to hear those sentiments about Christine Buckley – she and her people at Aislinn have worked a great deal to raise the issue of abuse in Ireland down the years. I don’t think its fair to speak of her like that – she doesn’t deserve it. As for a mandate to speak with Church and State, didn’t Paddy attend the round table meeting with government on 3rd June last and was Paddy not appointed to the National memorial committee by government a short while back? There are some begrudgers who would ask, well, who gave Paddy a mandate to enter into discussions with government and why didn’t he seek public endorsement before accepting his post on that committee he sits as a representative of the Survivors? Lets be fair now – I have to agree With Martha on this much,that the Irish seems to have a disturbing masochistic streak as well as a destructive backbiting inclination. Whilst its quite correct to expose the money grubbers and their paymasters, lashing out at everyone just for its own sake is quite another thing. Christine Buckley started the ball rolling on the abuse saga and deserves her place in all this.

]]> By: Hanora Brennan http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/comment-page-1/#comment-2299 Hanora Brennan Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:04:08 +0000 http://www.paddydoyle.com/bishops-meet-victims-ahead-of-mini-synod/#comment-2299 These fork tongued survivors need to be dealt with big time! What are YOU going to do about it? These fork tongued survivors need to be dealt with big time! What are YOU going to do about it?

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