By Niall Murray, Education Correspondent
Thursday, December 29, 2011
DETAILS of the planned €500,000 memorial to victims of institutional child abuse will be announced next summer more than three years after it was proposed.
However, the location has yet to be confirmed and the expected date for completion is not yet available as it depends on the design.
The May 2009 report of the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, chaired by Mr Justice Sean Ryan, recommended that a permanent memorial be erected. It is to include the wording of the 1999 apology by then Taoiseach Bertie Ahern on behalf of the State for the suffering of those who were abused while in its care.
The committee to oversee the erection of the memorial was announced by then education minister Batt O’Keeffe in October 2009. The Office of Public Works (OPW) was asked to commission and deliver it with a €500,000 budget set aside.
The committee launched a design competition last July after consulting interested parties and survivor groups on the location and nature of the memorial.
A shortlist of six competitors has now been selected by an international jury of:
* Marta Santos Pais, special representative of the UN secretary-general on violence against children.
* Brian O’Doherty, sculptor and film-maker based in New York.
* Pat Cooney, OPW principal architect, and
* Vivienne Roche, co-founder of the National Sculpture Factory, Cork.
The Department of Education said yesterday that the committee expects to announce the competition winner next June.
The memorial committee is chaired by former OPW chairman Sean Benton. The other members are: Bernadette Fahy and Paddy Doyle representing survivors of abuse, Seán Ó Laoire of the Royal Institute of Architects of Ireland, Monica Corcoran of the Arts Council and former Cork county architect Billy Houlihan.
The child abuse commission’s costs could reach €100 million after the finalisation of all legal costs of third parties which were represented in its investigations and hearings. The final bill to the State of compensating those abused while in institutional care as children is set to top €1.1 billion, with almost 13,500 awards made to the end of 2010.
Robert
Writing in capitals on the internet is regarded at quite rude and it is known as shouting. It’s very difficult to read your full posting and therefore were there is anything of importance in your posting people will miss it. May I suggest you go to the standard type for the thread.
Robert
Just wondering did you put a submisson into the Memorial people? If you did not then I can’t see how you can complain now about it. It was in the papers and on this site.
we are not here we do not exist we are HISTORY.
WHY IS THERE NO SURVIVORS INVOLVED? I AM A QUALIFIED ARTIST THE ONLY THING I HAD LEFT TO EXIST IN THIS WORLD, I LOVE MY ART IT IS ME IT IS BLOOD RUNNING THROUGH MY VAINS.
IF THIS GOES AHEAD THEN THERE WAS NO JUSTICE AT ALL BUT LIVING PROOF OF HOW THOSE IN CONTROL HAVE AN EGO IN THEIR COVERING UP OF CHILD ABUSE.
JUST GIVE ME THE MATERIALS AND SOME HELPERS VOLUNTARY OF COURSE WHO WOULD DO A GRAND JOB. WE SHOULD SEE THIS MONUMENT THAT IS DESIGNED BY PEOPLE WHO NEVER HAD A CLUE OR EXPERIENCED THE ART THEY MAKE.
THE CRITIC JOHN BERGER “WAYS OF SEEING ” COMES TO MIND ITS THE WAY THE TRUTH IS SEEN.
Monica, thank you for bringing this matter to the attention of our contributors, I had intended to do so but it’s one of those things that I never got around to doing. Writing in CAPITAL LETTERS is indeed seen as shouting at people according to ‘netetiquette ‘. I also agree that it does make it harder to read comments. Best wishes. Paddy.
Robert says in one of his postings that he gave his life to the right of place group so perhaps they were presented. if not why not . no decision has been made yet .
What I can say emphatically Pauline is that every group that claimed to represent ‘survivors of abuse’ were invited to come and meet the Memorial Committee. Many, if not all did make their presentations to the Committee. I should also point out that an advertisement for the Memorial appeared in all local and national newspapers as well as being posted on many websites including this one. The link to that advertisement is still there and can be viewed http://www.paddydoyle.com/advertisement-for-a-memorial-to-survivors-of-institutional-abuse/ and here http://www.education.ie/servlet/blobservlet/riru_design_commission_of_memorial_ad_2011.pdf also http://www.education.ie/servlet/blobservlet/riru_expression_of_interest_memorial_comp_2011.pdf It can never be said that this website did not advertise the competition for a memorial to people who were abused while in the care of religious orders or the State
May I also bring the above response to the attention of Robert and others who are concerned about the Memorial. Paddy.
MONICA IN CASE YOU DO NOT REALIZE YET I AM NOT RUDE I WRIE BECAUSE AS A SURVIVOR I HAVE BEEN LET DOWN BY EVERYONE AND HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD IF MY LARGE TYPE OFFENDS YOU THEN YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM IT IS TYPE NOTHING MORE YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN PICK UP ON THIS LITTLE THING COMPARED TO ALL THE PAIN THAT IS GOING ON HERE.
I NEVER KNEW IT WAS AN OFFENSE TO TYPE IN LARGE LETTERS MAYBE I CANNOT READ SMALL TYPE PROPERLY.
GROUPS KNOW WHO I AM AND ICOULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY THEM IF THEY WERE DOING THEIR JOBS PROPERLY AS THEY CLAIM THEY REPRESENT US, THEN I MAY HAVE HAD AN OPTION TO PUT SOMETHING FORWARD.
SO NO I DID NOT.
SO MONICA IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY SAT IT TO THOSE WHO CLAIM AND GET PAID TO REPRESENT SURVIVORS, I HAVE HAD NOTHING ELSE BUT THOUSAND OF PAPERS WITH FIGURES AND DOCUMENTS THAT ARE FAR TOO MANY OF USELESS INFORMATION THAT JAMMED MY LETTERBOX FROM THE PREVIOUS RIGHT OF PLACE AS ANY ONE WHO HAS RECEIVED THEM WOULD KNOW.
IF MY TYPING IS ALL YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEN YOU WOULD NOT HAVE A CLUE WHAT SURVIVORS ARE GOING THROUGH.
YES I ANGRY I HAVE A RIGHT TO BE AS THIS SITE IS ALL I HAVE TO EXPRESS MY FEELINGS.
IT IS MY HUMAN RIGHT TO TYPE HOW I SEE FIT SO BACK OFF.
I DO NOT BUY PROPAGANDA AS I READ ON LIES ALL THE TIME, I SENSE THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE BEHIND YOUR WORDS MONICA OTHER THAN MY TYPING SKILLS.
I HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS ON MY PLATE OTHER THAN BEING AT A COMPUTER.
THE QUESTION SHOULD HAVE BEEN DID ANY GROUP SEND A AN APPLICATION TO ME? ANSWER TO THIS IS NO NO NO.
DID I GO TO THEIR MEETINGS? WELL IF I EVEN WANTED TO I COULD NOT AFFORD TO.
AS I CANNOT EVEN AFFORD TO GOT TO BLOODY HOSPITAL FOR SERIOUS PROBLEMS
SINCE I GOT ONLY HUNDREDS OF PAPERS FULL RUBBISH I HAD NO CLUE ABOUT SENT OUT TO EVERYONE WITH THE PREVIOUS RIGHT OF PLACE OF FIGURES AND STUFF EVEN THEY HAD NO CLUE ABOUT.
I GUESS I HAD ENOUGH ON HERE NOW.
I THANK EVERYONE ELSE FOR BEING VERY UNDERSTANDING AND WILL NEVER BE POSTING COMMENTS AGAIN SORRY IF I OFFENED ANYONE ELSE.
WHAT IS THE POINT BYE ALL HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT LIFE AND TO THOSE INCLUDING PADDY WHO HAVE BEEN SO KIND A GREAT BIG THANK YOU.
IT IS TIME NOW TO GET ON WITH MY OWN PROBLEMS. BYE ALL HOPE YOU ALL GET THE BEST OF THE REST OF THIS LIFE.
PS
MONICA PLEASE READ ( IF YOU HAVE NOT BEFORE YOUR ARROGANT COMMENTS)
I HAVE MENTIONED A FEW YEARS BACK ON THIS SITE OF PADDY’S
I PRESENTED A CD THAT TOOK ME MONTHS OF HARD WORK TO THE RIGHT OF PLACE A MR. NOEL C BARRY, HE CLAIMED FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER THAT HE WAS THINKING OF A MEMORIAL AS I PRESENTED IT BACK THEN FUNNY THAT, HE NEVER MENTIONED IT BEFORE THE CD.
I WAS ONLY HOPING HE COULD GET ME FINANCES TO PRODUCE IT.
IT WAS MISS -PLACED AND NEVR FOUND, I WAS DOING THIS OFF MY OWN BACK FOR PEOPLE I KNOW WHO DIED IN THE SCHOOLS AND LONG LOST
FRIENDS I SHARED THE HORRID EXPERIENCES WITH IN THOSE PRISONS FIVE ALL TOLD. MAYBE IT WOULD HELP OTHERS TOO I THOUGHT AT THE TIME.
500,000 EURO? I JUST WANTED THE MATERIALS AND SOME VOLUNTEERS TO HELP ME DO IT. THE IDEA CAME FROM THE HEART.
SO FORGIVE ME FOR MY IGNORANCE’S I GUESS I WAS NOT BROUGHT UP PROPER.
ONCE AGAIN MY FRIENDS HERE I BOW OUT AND THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING TO MY HURT.
I MUST MOVE ON AS I HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS I MUST TAKE CAR OF.
THANKING YOU ALL RESPECTFULLY AND SINCERELY ROBERT
pps
paddy what the heck does this mean according to ‘netetiquette ? and who are they to decide? who ever knew this? or who they are.
it would have been kinder to to ask me personally why i write in large letters, even sent me an email as you have my email at hand.
as for who ever decided it to be shouting well that is just a mere point of view invented since computers by which i am learning to use proper.
hurt anger and upsetment of being ignored by those who think but never listen, who make decisions and never ask, as to agree with someone to make your point is rather hurtful and condemning.
it would have been nice to have been advised A VERY long time ago why wait till NOW with this person?
but thank you how ever for this site the problem is
NO ONE HAS ANSWERED THE STRESSFUL COMMENTS WHO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SUPPORT THE USUAL I GUESS.
WE CANT MAKE TOO MUCH NOISE CAN WE…
THANKS PADDY HAVE A GREAT NEW YEAR WITH PEOPLE LIKE MONICA WHO BY THE WAY NEVER WROTE A WORD OF SUPPORT ON ANY OF MY COMMENTS OF THE HURT EXPRESSED.
Robert, in no way was my comment about ‘netetiquette’ and writing in capital letters meant to be offensive. It’s obvious from what you’ve written that you were offended. Without going into great detail ‘net etiquette’ is a word that came into use when the Internet became more and more available. It was, for want of better phraseology a set of rules for everyone using the Internet.
Just for your information: Every group that claimed to represent ‘survivors of abuse’ were invited to come and meet the Memorial Committee. Many, if not all did make their presentations to the Committee. I should also point out that an advertisement for the Memorial appeared in all local and national newspapers as well as being posted on many websites including this one. The link to that advertisement is still there and can be viewed http://www.paddydoyle.com/advertisement-for-a-memorial-to-survivors-of-institutional-abuse/ and here http://www.education.ie/servlet/blobservlet/riru_design_commission_of_memorial_ad_2011.pdf also http://www.education.ie/servlet/blobservlet/riru_expression_of_interest_memorial_comp_2011.pdf It can never be said that this website did not advertise the competition for a memorial to people who were abused while in the care of religious orders or the State
Robert says in one of his postings that he gave his life to the right of place group so perhaps they were presented. if not why not . no decision has been made yet .
Pauline
Right of Place would Not have been able to present or submit Robert’s art work to the Memorial. It’s his copyright, his artwork. That would be breaking the law. A decision has been made and there were 6 submissions which will go to the second stage of the competition. The OPW received a total of 32 Submission for the memorial which when all things considered is a very small persentage of the Irish art world indeed the art world period. Robert should make his complaint to the department of education as he has that right.
if the groups are being paid then why have they not sent applications to the so called members they are supposed to have?
i say it again Paddy for the last time before i finally go i presented my art cd that took months and just happened to go missing years ago the reason for my distrust that we would even get a look in. that cd should have found its place at those who chose the sellected artists and a application should have been sent because if the Right Of Place then was doing what it got paid for i may at least have had something to go by but no IT JUST WENT MISSING. if i cannot trust the groups to represnt me then why would i want to go to anyone else?
i have no complaints about your web site i am just extremely hurt.
what about the rest of the stuff i wrote on here?
yes your site is good for views i have no problem but the decent thing about my writing CAPITALS should have been mentioned years ago since it was obvious i was upset about the lack of respect by all government church and so called groups.
this is where may aims were, no at people On here but i am sorry that this has covered up the hurt i was expressing and i am still without that cd.
never mind i will have to live with it regards robert
i just thought i would have a look at the expected answer you gave sorry to all if anyone was offended.
HOW CAN I POSSIBLY DO ANY PRESENTATION TO A COMMITTEE WITHOUT MY HARD WORK OF DESIGNS THAT TOOK MONTHS, THESE WERE SUPERIMPOSED PHOTOGRAPHS WHERE I VIRTUALLY BUILT THE SCULPTURES FOR ALL TO SEE BUT SINCE THIS HAS NO INTEREST OR RESPECT THEN WHAT ON THIS EARTH IS THE POINT?
YES YOUR SITE IS GREAT MARVELOUS WONDERFUL BRILLIANT AND EVERYTHING ELSE BUT SO WAS MY CD BY THOSE WHO SEEN THE HARD WORK I DID FROM MY HEART AS YOU PADDY PRODUCED THIS WEBPAGE.
I HAVE NO MORE TO SAY BUT WISH YOU AND ALL THE VERY BEST FOR THE NEW YEAR RESPECTFULLY YOURS ROBERT
Robert, I’ve sent you the links to the advertisement for submissions for a memorial to ‘Victims of Abuse”. If you scroll down the right hand of the index page of my website you’ll see a section with a heading Memorial Competition. Underneath that are at least four links pointing to the requests for submissions from artists and other interested parties to make submissions for the competition.
I repeat for the last time: Everyone of the groups claiming to represent ‘Victims of Abuse” were invited to meet with the Memorial Committee and to put forward the views of their ‘members’. I can’t say with certainty that every one of these groups turned up but I can say with certainty that all groups were invited.
I don’t doubt that your CD was a great piece of work. The sadness of it is that you didn’t have some copies that could have been entered into the Memorial Competition. What have Right of Place to say about the loss of your CD?
Paddy.
Robert its awful that your work has been lost. it cant have left by itself so perhaps if one of the michaels could help find it. i dident know either that big letters meant that we were shouting. You know Robert we are many who are still learning. sometimes when people are very familier with things thay forget that thay learned too. dont leave Robert . I for onr have learned a lot about the witnesses still in Ireland. By the way i like that word for us as thats what we were for years in those places. we saw things no children should see.and you know you havent hurt anyones eardrums.I would have had the impression thats it was easier for them but your postings have kept me informed. i still think about all the empty houses you mentioned. so robert i hope you can get respect for you .
Thank you very much Paddy for your time replying I appriciate it very much, well i ask them on many occasions for the cd they said they could not find it.
the new right of place said the same i actually asked them too three different times to give them time to try and find it but they cannot find it.
but i do remember Noel Barry making a statement that the monument was not to be a one sided affair or something to those words.
yet none of my work was it was done in extremely good taste please read the ideas i posted earlier in this site.
thank you Pauline you are a wonderful person regards ROBERT
I say one thing about capitals it took a negetive brain to decide this was shouting as then there are only two things shouting and whispering what about all the other HUMAN RESPONSES AND REACTIONS SUCH AS STRESS AND HURT AND SO ON.
thank you Paddy again respectfully robert
Robert wishing you all the best hope 2012 brings you health and happiness.Maybe the Right Of Place will find your CD.
Hi.Robert.
Its sad to read the idiots at ROP lost your art work cd.
If it was produced on a computer and you still have access to it, you may be able to recover it in the memory. It may take someone with a good knowledge of computers. Must be worth a try.
Regards.
Paul
I meant to write file because there were different ideas but i wrote life . please excuse me. there are some people who could find it in a cumputer. thay are experts. i am glad that you are still here Robert.have you changed computers since then!!!. happy new year to all .
Thanks monica. also which right of place has it . as you say its his so doesnt that make them responsable.there has to be a trace somewhere.
FYI
The submissions for the Memorial had a grand total of 32. I would like to say that personally I am very dissapointed with this number. Considering the great Art community in Ireland only 32 were bothered to send in their submissions. I’m also not sure how many of these submissions were IRISH and how many came from abroad. The usual for this kind of Memorial and amount of money (ie 500K or 1/2 Million Euro) would be in the hundreds if not over a thousand and all we got was 32 Submissions
and furthermore. Considering the economy in Ireland today, wouldn’t you think the art community would have stayed up day and night to do a submission and get it in, even if they didn’t get picked, at least they would have tried and had that satisfaction. I’m also wondering why they only picked 6 to go to the next stage and not ten as they had that maximum. The submissions I’d say must have been really bad bad, if they could only pick six. I think there needs to be more transparently. I’ve checked ROPSC webpage and there is no discussion on that, come to think of it there is nothing about the memorial on that website, not even the announcement after Christmas in the papers that a part decision had been made and six were going forward.
and further furthermore, I’ve just checked Alliance Support group and they also have nothing up about on their website. Now if the rest of the Group Leaders who attended this meeting about the Memorial had a website I could check , but they don’t. So guess you out there without a life-jacket. Start swimming lads!.
http://www.irishsurvivorsuk.org.uk/?page_id=11
Nothing on this website either
Can it possibly be that my website is the only one that carried information about the Memorial? I might even give myself a clap on the back or get a swelled head! Paddy.
http://www.londonirishcentre.org/index.php/about/location/
Nothing on this website either Paddy about any memorial and I’m aware they get a huge grant from the Irish Governement each year so I read in the newspapers, but they don’t always report everything
correctly
Paddy as you well have shown just by your website where no group would even dare to approach as instead of seeing it just makes survivors views known they seem to either take offence or feel they may have to be defensive because the only person in the so called new right of place that has worked very hard is a young lady by the name of Ann Marie the rest but for a couple of survivors are working on job titlement sorry ( invented word) meaning they work only according to their ego as the ” boss” the chairman in this case who will not get his hands dirty so to speak, I have found nothing but “Egocentrism” ( i had to type this to find the expressionism) and the explanation is so spot on as it has run through these groups like a disease, rotten through to the very core.
At least the young lady Ann Marie is trying sometimes doing an overload, just because some think they are just so professional they do not see it fit to even visit survivors as they so called us. He being a barrister or solicitor.
These EGOCENTRICS have been the reason so many views have been expressed on your site Paddy as you know, if they were any good at all they would have had the best of the bar ( court room ) but just maybe there is an other reason ” they are working for some one else other than survivors ( interesting thought eh?)
Sorry Paddy and Monica but here goes
THERE ARE NO SUCH THING AS SURVIVOR GROUPS BUT GOVERNMENT AND RELIGIOUS SUPPORTERS CLAIMING TO REPRESENT WITNESS THEY CALL SURVIVORS TO PREVENT ANY OUT BURST OF TRUTH TO THE PUBLIC EYE.
My case regarding the c.d. is a great example of such treatment.
Mr Barry once interrupted a conversation I once had with others in the kitchen of the right of place when we were talking about how many prison run schools we were in, would you actually believe he said over us and i quote near as possible ” you cannot make various claims just because you were in more than one school it is just a one claim” that he agreed this with the government and religious himself (( HOW DOWN RIGHT ARROGANT))
But you get my point this kind of support leads only but one way and it is not ours.
Most survivors I have met were from the streets or on the welfare or prisons, hospitals for suffering through their lives, in other words desperate and lacked any kind of awareness of what was going on, being told off for such minor things they LIVED IN FEAR the right of place THE DO AS YOUR TOLD OR ELSE!…..
if i were to build a monument now i would build a SOLID STEEL DOOR 10ins THICK and title it CLOSED MEETING
To Catherine, Pauline and Paul and you Monica thank you all for your words and wish you all the very best of the New Year
Well Paul that computer has well gone as it was years ago when I was in the right of place.
Here is something else to remind you about the Right of Place under Mr barry,
When I had to go into rehab left the house where they forced us to live together or else we have to leave the B&b i was ordered to pay the rent, he even hung up on my counsellor who tried to help explain my situation. Yet we were in large credit on the bills we saved a lot of money each week.
when I left rehab and moved into a room in a shared house near the rehab i approached Mr. Barry once again and asked if i could move into the new apartment block as it was self contained, he said come and see me. I did and he showed me the room down stairs and asked what do you think?
I said great i will have it.
After given notice to the land lord and on the day of the moving in Mr Barry approached me and said I am sorry Robert but I cannot let you move in because the committee decided against it but i did not i was for it he said.
they are only for repatriation and the council have a choice of three also for the homeless that was the deal he said.
So for a long time i had to move back into the B&b in the tiny room with all my belongings I had to climb over to get in every day.
Eventually I got the tiny little room on the top floor opposite his large office.
this is where I had handed him that cd.
it does not stop there either.
when i returned from seeing my son in england the lady in the B&b ((considering it was a long time later two years or so)) she the lady was so excited for me she said it has been arranged for me to go and see an apartment in Mahon co Cork I was delighted, guess what ? the person who recently arrived AND worked in the reception for Mr Barry was taking me ONLY to find he was applying also for the same house GUESS WHO GOT IT? NOT ME THAT WAS FOR SURE I KNEW THIS AS HE EXPLAINED IN THE CAR ON THE WAY.
http://www.billtormey.ie/2010/10/11/christine-buckley-for-freedom-of-dublin-city/
I am not going to bring down personal people who are under the name of survivors but I will say this as it is the most honest truth there is.
these leaders of so called groups are being used as pawns on the government chessboard who are playing this game of chess with the religious.
The sad point is every single person who suffered the hells of this country should have the freedom of what ever City they live in to make it fair.
Mrs Buckley and others who call themselves group leaders have had all the cream in publicity a F….N ISULT TO ALL OTHER WITNESSES OF ABUSE.
We have had NOTHING at all strikes me these are the FAVORITES, the PETS of both Government and religious.
Mrs Buckley please turn this down as ALL WITNESSES DESERVE SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE SHITE THEY HAVE BEEN DEALT.
I WILL ALSO SAY THIS THESE GROUPS SAVED THE GOVERNMENT AND RELIGIOUS A FORTUNE ON PRIVATE AGREEMENTS SO I CAN ONLY SEE HER ACCEPTING IT AS IF SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SUFFERED AS IT WAS ONLY HER STORY SHE SEEMS TO TELL ALL THE TIME.
Sorry about the capitals but when one reads this ill-treatment one gets annoyed. Thank you Monica for posting this link
I have read the link. its really very dodgy that its her co worker who is applying.As for the dovotion she shows well its in her close circle of Fellow puppets.I think her kids have done fine. thay dont seem neglected. thay were at the foot washing . and proberly the cakecutting ect.And we who did leave goldenbridge at a time when the outside school wasent for the inmates are left out of everything even the teddybear ceromany.All we get is to watch vidios of christine. i signed on at the aisleen centre at the beginning but all i have heard from them was help to write my attestation. but i thought i would prefer doing that myself.
Pauline
was that the Teddy Bear party at the RDS you are talking about with Pat Kenny?
You see PAULINE they were not qualified nor trained nor experienced in such matters why ? the government either wanted to save money or over looked the truth they should have had professional people who are highly skilled in these matters especially since it is a hugh cultural disaster.
If she cares anything at all she would step down of her box as so all who were up on those boxes, and give the witnesses their voices also. Let survivors speak, as Paddy always said nothing about us without us or to that effect.
Mrs Buckley should turn around and refuse to accept the freedom of the City of Dublin and say all survivors ( after all there are less than 14000 now as some are passing away or left the isle) should have the exact same rights as her.
As for washing of the feet, I wash my own if they are dirty.
She is so stuck on her own story even when she claims to be representing others.
But guess what how can she? she has no idea on how others are suffering.
The very reason I say the Government and Church are denying the needs of the many.
She has no right to say she represents us all she is not Qualified nor Experienced nor trained nor had a police background check to claim such a responsibility. She cannot handle it as the reason she goes on about herself every time.
Thats a big problem for us who were there at the same time as her . Christine talks about a relation between her and XS the head nun. But the head nun did not care enough to pay attention to any of us . In fact most of the time she looked straight through us. And taking injured kids to doctors was out of her scope. She beat us all but in perfect control. the bruises were under our skirts. as for boiling water on her well we would have known about it . and i am sure we all know that skin doesent split when beaten. try it on a chicken it wont split but the bones would break. XS would never have made a mistake. as for the memorial well what about a cross with a small child nailed to it. it could be a boy or girl. or we could wait for Chrissies death and have her turned into a mummy. That way she could keep herself in the public eye. that way future generations would believe that she was the only child in goldenbridge.
Well monica i only read on here about the teddy bears otherwise i wouldnt know about that either.
A Memorial ? ok as long as Christine West) Mrs Buckley keeps out of it .so far everything has been only all about Her. Has anyone in the Irish Government bothered to check and go through the books with the list of names that those groups claim Huge Funding for . They have been handed over Millions >what have they spent the Millions on ,it must be down to every Pen, Stamp, The Lot.all names on their lists must be checked out.or are the Irish Government willing to keep throwing Millions at The Aislinn . God Knows haw many Real Reformatory Survivors live in Dublin. count 1-to -10???
Wel well I just found a little space where i could try and gain the confidence to produce my art, something I have loved with a passion even as a child but was never encouraged infact my art and drawings were confiscated and destroyed.
I have asked the right of place and the vec of the right of place for financial support to help me try and work as an artist so many times, i was REFUSED.
I just asked again as a vacancy for a space has arrived in a building in my remote area where there is nothing for education.
I said it is only 50euro including the use of electricity and heating a week, as you know it is only 500 or less a year for me to gain my confidence as an artist.
I approached the same again and said I have received nothing yet to support my art could I please get this support I really really need as I am bouncing off the walls out here.
The right of place guy of the VEC SAID NO I CANNOT HELP YOU.
I PHONED MR. QUINNS EDUCATIONAL OFFICE AGAIN I WAS TOLD NO.
DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW OF ANY SUPPORT FOR WITNESSES OF CHILD ABUSE,?
AS WHAT RUBBISH WE HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH THE PRISONERS OF IRELAND HAVE FAR BETTER DEALS THAN US WITNESSES YES IT IS SO TRUE,
THEY HAVE SO MUCH TO OUR SO LITTLE, HERE IS THE PROOF AS TO THE ARTS. IT IS A DOWN RIGHT INSULT.
SORRY PADDY ABOUT THE CAPITALS
But I am just expressing the hurt on how we are going through as we relive our horrid past of our childhood.
I have nothing against prisoners but hey even as child prisoners we had less.
I get the country has no money robert thrown in my face by groups and family support centers. then I read this. Please take the time to read this link it is not long
Visual artists in prisons scheme
Closing date: 31/12/2012
Maximum awarded: €2400
Artform & practices: Visual arts
Applicant type: Individual artist
Collaborative application possible? Yes
External agency: Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform
External agency web address:
Contact: Veronica Hoen
Position: Coordinator, Visual Artists in Prisons Scheme
Telephone: + 353 87 954 8178
Email: vmhoen@ipsedu.ie
Operated by Prison Education Service
This scheme is co-funded by the Arts Council and the Department of Justice, Equality and Reform and administered by the Prison Education Service. Please note that this award may be subject to different conditions and criteria than the awards directly administered by the Arts Council. Requests for information or application forms should be directed to the Prison Education Service.
Description
This scheme provides financial support to selected visual artists to conduct workshops over a period of 10 days in the education units in any of the Republic’s prisons. The maximum awarded per workshop is €2,400. A panel of interested and suitably qualified artists is currently being compiled. Interested individuals should contact the coordinator. Inclusion on the panel does not guarantee work.
Deadline
None. Applications are accepted throughout the academic year.
Contact details
Veronica Hoen,
Coordinator, Visual Artists in Prisons Scheme
Mobile: + 353 87 954 8178
Email: vmhoen@ipsedu.ie
OUCH OUCH OUCH AND WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF EDUCATION FUNDING AS WELL. IN A MONTH
No warning by the press or media as of yet and the sataury fund is to be swallowed up by the funds so we have to pay for our own funds the dictating government set up.
by the way i just tried to contact the right of place and the web comments page still has trouble and all i have typed has gone waste of blasted time