Letter to Mr. Ruairi Quinn, Minister for Education and Skills

Dear Mr Ruairi Quinn, T.D, Minister for Education and Skills,

Further to our e-mail dated 21st April 2011 in relation to the Institutional Child Abuse Bill 2009, the Proposed Statutory Trust Fund including our previous e-mails in relation to “Survivors concerns and issues” at home and abroad in relation to the controversial Secret Deal – 2002, the Ryan Commissions Report – 2009, the Institutional Child Abuse Bill – 2009, the Detention Order, the Vaccine Trials, the Redress Board and the Education Finance Board.

It should be quite clear that the previous government is history and they have done little or nothing in relation to the needs of victims of victims of institutional child abuse.

We hope that the present government and your department doesn’t follow the same route as the aforementioned especially when one looks at your Institutional Child Abuse Bill – 2009 including your statement as follows: “We have listened to survivors, and to the children of those who were sent to these institutions and who are no longer alive”.

It’s for this reason that we wish to refer to your letter to Paddy Doyle in relation to the Proposed Statutory Trust Fund posted on his website especially in relation to your comments as follows: “the Fund is separate and distinct from the compensation scheme operated by the independent Residential Institutions Redress Board, which provides fair and reasonable awards to victims of institutional childhood abuse”.

It should be quite clear that serious issues have arisen for some time in relation to the Redress Board and we would like to point out that many victims of institutional child abuse have been awarded pittance from the Redress Board.

The Redress Board is one of the greatest abuses perpetrated against victims of sexual abuse in religious run residential institutions, according to a top psychiatrist.

Dr. Michael Corry, founder of the institute of Psychosocial Medicine, said the Redress Board stringent secrecy laws are causing huge psychological damage to victims.

In a letter to The Irish Times dated 19th May 2005, Dr. Michael Corry, Consultant Psychiatrist, stated his firm believe is that the Redress Board contravenes the most basic of human and civil rights.

In short it represents a crime against humanity.

It should be abolished immediately and replaced by an open forum where the victim is not only properly monetarily compensated, but where they can have their perpetrators named, and the scales of justice balanced.

It’s quite clear that many Survivors support groups have received a number of complaints from abuse victims claiming they have received reduced levels of compensation after waiving an initial award by the Redress Board.

The former Minister for Education & Science, Mr. Michael Woods, T.D. in a statement about the Compensation Advisory Committees conclusion he said one of most important observations was that the child injuries were among the most serious kinds of personal injury known to law.

Survivors had lost their childhood much of their adulthood as well.

He also said that because of the complexities of measuring the impact of abuse, the State would obtain its guidelines for the awards from the Irish Courts.

Patsy McGarry, a Religious Affairs Correspondent, reported in The Irish Times dated 15th October 2004, that the former Minister for Education & Science, Ms. Mary Hanafin, T.D. said Members of the Oieachtas Committee on Education, have been assured that awards by the Redress Board were in line of those of the High Court, and that it had an obligation to do this.

This has simply not happened.

Far worse has been going on behind the closed doors of the Redress Board, with pitiful awards being made that come no where near the criteria given by the Compensation Advisory Committee, in 2001, chaired by Mr. Sean Ryan, or in ministerial statements supporting that criteria.

Nor does the Redress Board system of awards meet with the basic principles of natural justice and the requirements for openness in the Convention on Human Rights.

On two critical occasions during the framing and passage of legislation which set up the original Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse over which Honourable Justice Mary Laffoy presided until her letter of resignation dated 2nd September 2003, the former Minister for Education & Science, Mr. Michael Woods, T.D. claimed the awards made for abuse would parallel the substantial awards made in the High Court.

He recommended that the best guidance for the Government should be by reference to the level of awards made by the Irish courts for pain and suffering and loss of amenities arising from serious personal injury.

This has simply not happened.

By comparison with court awards for sexual abuse, the offers and the handouts from the Redress Board have been derisory.

The State has created a legal process based on secret hearings where neither the public nor the media can discover what is being done.

This is an abuse of the European Convention on Human Rights for which Ireland is a signatory.

Openness in public hearings is vital for all parties.

There are around 14, 600 sad army of victims of institutional child abuse including my wife, who made applications to the Redress Board by the deadline of December 2005.

Their weapon of war is a bleak and complicated Application Form; this disgraceful document comes out of the Redress Act 2002.

In order to assist an applicant the former Minister for Education & Science, Mr. Noel Dempsey, T.D. stated that a lower threshold of proof is required and the Redress Board will conduct its sittings in an informal manner in order to accommodate the applicant.

When a person makes an application to the Redress Board they are required to establish to the Board firstly, their identity, secondly that they were resident in the institution during their childhood and finally that they were injured while so resident and the injury is consistent with the abuse that is alleged to have happened.

In the event an applicant is dissatisfied with an award he/she may reject the decision of the Redress Board Committee and pursue the matter through the Courts.

According to the former Minister for Education & Science, Mr. Noel Dempsey, T.Ds conclusion the aim of the Redress Board is to provide victims of institutional child abuse with an alternative avenue to pursue their claim.

That was the theory.

The practice has been entirely different.

Depending on the award made by the Redress Board and/or the Redress Board Review Committee, claimants would have to give serious consideration to their options to proceed with their High Court Action Board.

Apart from the time factor, the claimant may be held responsible for all costs and outlay from the date of the lodgement (the pittance amount awarded to the claimant by the Redress Board).

After giving the above mentioned options serious consideration, we do not think any claimant would be stupid enough to instruct their Solicitor to follow any further down the same road in a corrupt process which leaves the claimant to consider the consequences.

It’s quite clear that part of the redress system itself, as in so many other State approaches to legislative commitments, has been taken from the UK Criminal Injuries Compensation Board system.

This has broadly the same purpose as the Redress Board, and that is to by pass litigation.

Instead of a back injury or loss of a finger earning £7,500 or £10,000, it is rape or assault that is measured in hard cash.

Although this disgraceful and complicated application form is posited on the idea that an applicant could fill it out on his/her own, the complexities demand assistance from an early point.

It’s quite clear that this kind of work of making representations on behalf of the claimant before the Redress Board had been proving lucrative for many law firms.

Details of the offending institutions have to be given in the form, and the offences, even down to the point of providing a number, given to them in the institution.

This, together with grim details of past suffering, all of it called evidence, together with medical and psychiatric reports, is made available to any person and to the representive of any institution in this application.

This represents hugely excessive disclosure.

But the punitive situation is far more extensive.

Including the claimant taking responsibility for everything stated.

It includes agreeing to the Redress Board requesting any person to produce to it any document which may relate to this application.

It goes further.

It asks the applicant to make prior judgement to whether he/she will consider the possibility of settling this application without a hearing, having on the same page answered comprehensive questions about other proceedings or actions for damages or for criminal investigation.

No comparable circumstances are to be found; on the UK Criminal injuries Compensation Boards work on which the Redress Board is modelled.

The Redress Board is free to call in its own medical advice.

It is free to submit documentation to all named parties.

And dare one say it, the claimant is already a deeply damaged victim, their lives ruined by illness and continuing medical treatment, and in many cases they are still attending further education classes which they were attending even before the present Education Finance Board.

We should surely be dealing here with the circumstances where the claimant has been wronged.

It is the State and the Religious Orders who are suspected, with wide evidential support already, of having committed the acts complained of.

Yet they do not have to fill out any comparable form.

They do not have to submit their documentation including all records and documents exchanging between the State and the Religious Orders and Pharmaceutical Companies pertaining to drug trail/tests and proposed drugs trail/tests of children in the care of the said Religious Orders.

Many institutional child abuse victims including my wife face a conspiracy of silence and total absence of records when they attempt to discover their true identity.

It’s quite clear that the State and the Religious Orders do not have to give undertakings about their truthfulness.

Do not have to promise not to give false information.

Are not required, to give the Redress Board full assistance in conduct of this (or any other) application.

This is short summary of just some of the wrongs, indignities and illegalities we, have faced.

We look forward to hearing from you in due course.

Albert King on behalf of Mary King. (victim of institutional child abuse).

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  1. sean morrison

    Does this letter have to be made clearer ? what part of NO STATUTORY FUND does the minister not understand. I am blue in the face saying that from the distant shores of Canada, I did not have the advert in the newspaper to browse over regarding what the Govt. published, so what good are these groups or funds to me or my children, grand children and great grand children ?. Has anyone attempted to claim for their childrens help paying for their education ? I have, and am still waiting after six month’s and a letter telling me that the I have not filled out the manuscript of pages to their requirements, copies are not acceptable, in other words they do not trust me. I let them know that I do not have the original Record of Entry as a former RESIDENT of the reformatory and now thanks to a good soul in the office to whom I thanked, is contacting the solicitor in Dublin who represented me at Redress to furnish them with said document, thank you Julie Dunne. My daughters said they sent the original receipt’s for fee’s incurred.
    End of story.
    Seanie.

  2. so very well put Albert, I believe you speak in those words on behalf of all survivors.

  3. Albert & Mary King

    Robert, we are a little puzzled as to why Mr. Ruairi Quinn, Minister for Education and Skills is still talking about a Proposed Statutory Trust Fund. Surely the Minister should know by now about the petitions and written submissions from many victims of institutional child abuse who for one reason or another do not want a trust fund.

  4. I repeat something that was said to me at a meeting in the Department of Education. “Paddy, it’s either a Statutory Trust Fund or it’s nothing” Admittedly that was during the time the FF/Green coalition were in power. I had held out great hope of a different mindset when Labour/Fine Gael came into power. I now fear that the Trust Fund will be foisted on people who were abused while in institutional care irrespective of what their view is. Such a situation should not be tolerated. Paddy.

  5. Albert & Mary King

    Paddy, as you are aware, Article 44.2.2 of the Constitution, states quite clearly that “the State guarantees not to endow any religion” therefore Article 44.2.2 “must be interpreted as preventing the State from bestowing financial largesse upon favoured religious bodies, in any form.As we understand it “endow” or endowment is primarily a reference to formal direct arrangements for financial support, (as in an endowment policy in insurance, or the archaic use of it in terms of financil payments from really wealthy people to their children). Its for this reason its not right or just for the Government to intervene in relation to the €110 million offered to victims of institutional child abuse by the Religious Orders. 

  6. well it is disgusting of the government to even claim 50-50 with the religious the government let this happen to us 100% and the church 100%.
    I will never forget a head figure of the church in Dublin say
    (( WE ARE YOUR FAMILY NOW SO YOU CAN FORGET WHERE YOU CAME FROM OR WHO YOU WERE)).
    Has anyone asked of the Government of other countries who allowed children born in their country to be forced into these Irish institutions?
    Surely if children who were born in other countries if there is a so called welfare state then these people are to blame also?
    Every child has the right to be protected by it’s own Government, especially if their children were not Irish?
    Did THEY lack in their responsibilities also toward vulnerable children of their state by not checking out the welfare of the children in these Irish institutions? Makes me wonder

  7. I received a 20.000 because I said the nun was nice, I have aquired brain injury shortly before I made my application so remembering names and dates was hard. I was dismissed as a liar I feel because the records did,nt show some of the places I was in records came in bits and pieces. But my main injuries of rape and beatings forced drugs took place when I was locked up as a child in St Ita’s hosp when I was 11 to 13 years old. I cannot forget but cannot claim it is so unfair that I was abused on several fronts and it amounted to a miserly 20.000 has the law changed hell will freeze over before I can take a claim against the Dept of Education and Health anyone know if this law has changed or where I can get help???? Margaret

  8. Minister for education and skills ????then he works with Buckley , smell a rat anyone

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