Comments on: Martin: Is there a paedophile ring? http://www.paddydoyle.com/martin-is-there-a-paedophile-ring/ Child abuse, Dystonia, Valium, Disability Status Commission Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:33:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: barry clifford http://www.paddydoyle.com/martin-is-there-a-paedophile-ring/comment-page-1/#comment-1577 barry clifford Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:51:22 +0000 http://www.paddydoyle.com/martin-is-there-a-paedophile-ring/#comment-1577 The relationship with the Church and State in Ireland though damaged is still very much alive and well. It remains this way not because the State wants to stay in bed with its formal spouse but because of spousal agreements written in happier times with regards to property rights, leases and criminal accountability. Ireland has become an oddity on the fringes of Western Europe shown in its deference still to this ancient model that has corrupted civil rights, law, education and health, and put justice on permanent hold. The only way forward out of this legal and moral wasteland is to start at ground zero by dismantling what now amounts to two blackmailers that are firmly in each other’s pockets. It will not be an easy task set against great opposition underlined by sickening deference, and pots of gold. Each side carries formidable blackmailer credentials. WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE The church owns or runs most of the schools, colleges, and hospitals, and can pull the plug on this entire system in a heartbeat. This is their ace card. The state in many respects is the weaker of the two but could enact sweeping legislation in removing church power and assets due to past and ongoing crimes by the clergy. Because of the lack of political will and maligned by religious beliefs this will never happen. This has led to the absence of justice has that has long been corrupted over and over again. The vexing question left is where do we go from here. The answer can come from the cultural psychology and history of Ireland. Being unable to rule because of having been ruled so long. Much like a deer caught in the headlights it must come out of its shock or face certain death. Why do people return to a church or re-elect a politician they know to be corrupt? Because most have not ventured beyond the crossroads of where and how they live. I suspect all politics, religion, and life are local and therefore inter woven, leading to the greater danger based on the ‘need to know basis’. This is how all corruption is seeded and why I believe justice and democracy in Ireland can only come from the wider platform of Europe. This is where victims of clerical and institutional abuse in Ireland most take to the battlefield and unite as one greater force for justice. It is not to be got at your local police station, or with friendly priest and politician. It will not be got at your local survivor group meeting where transparency is lacking of late. It can only be got from you to do for yourself, and with the help of others that you must assume to be weak until they prove to be strong. Anger is scream of the helpless until they know how to help themselves and to do nothing is the worst thing to do. If we do that it will be all over except for the crying. Please unite and support Paddy Doyle for this only makes it harder for those brave enough to try for change, or you can give me a call. Yours sincerely, Barry Clifford. Mob: 0877511113 Email: bgclifford@iol.ie The relationship with the Church and State in Ireland though damaged is still very much alive and well. It remains this way not because the State wants to stay in bed with its formal spouse but because of spousal agreements written in happier times with regards to property rights, leases and criminal accountability. Ireland has become an oddity on the fringes of Western Europe shown in its deference still to this ancient model that has corrupted civil rights, law, education and health, and put justice on permanent hold. The only way forward out of this legal and moral wasteland is to start at ground zero by dismantling what now amounts to two blackmailers that are firmly in each other’s pockets. It will not be an easy task set against great opposition underlined by sickening deference, and pots of gold. Each side carries formidable blackmailer credentials. WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE
The church owns or runs most of the schools, colleges, and hospitals, and can pull the plug on this entire system in a heartbeat. This is their ace card. The state in many respects is the weaker of the two but could enact sweeping legislation in removing church power and assets due to past and ongoing crimes by the clergy. Because of the lack of political will and maligned by religious beliefs this will never happen. This has led to the absence of justice has that has long been corrupted over and over again. The vexing question left is where do we go from here.
The answer can come from the cultural psychology and history of Ireland. Being unable to rule because of having been ruled so long. Much like a deer caught in the headlights it must come out of its shock or face certain death. Why do people return to a church or re-elect a politician they know to be corrupt? Because most have not ventured beyond the crossroads of where and how they live. I suspect all politics, religion, and life are local and therefore inter woven, leading to the greater danger based on the ‘need to know basis’. This is how all corruption is seeded and why I believe justice and democracy in Ireland can only come from the wider platform of Europe. This is where victims of clerical and institutional abuse in Ireland most take to the battlefield and unite as one greater force for justice.
It is not to be got at your local police station, or with friendly priest and politician.
It will not be got at your local survivor group meeting where transparency is lacking of late.
It can only be got from you to do for yourself, and with the help of others that you must assume to be weak until they prove to be strong. Anger is scream of the helpless until they know how to help themselves and to do nothing is the worst thing to do. If we do that it will be all over except for the crying.
Please unite and support Paddy Doyle for this only makes it harder for those brave enough to try for change, or you can give me a call.
Yours sincerely,

Barry Clifford.

Mob: 0877511113
Email: bgclifford@iol.ie

]]> By: FXR http://www.paddydoyle.com/martin-is-there-a-paedophile-ring/comment-page-1/#comment-1576 FXR Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:42:55 +0000 http://www.paddydoyle.com/martin-is-there-a-paedophile-ring/#comment-1576 Such a mealy mouthed response from our politicians: Kenny calls for some bishop to resign which no doubt will involve living in the lap of luxury. Mr. Martin is "considering" having the Papal Nuncio "explain" himself. If any other foreign State had spend so many years operating a child rape ring, profiting from child slave labour and corrupting government for it's own ends we'd be declaring war now. Such a mealy mouthed response from our politicians: Kenny calls for some bishop to resign which no doubt will involve living in the lap of luxury. Mr. Martin is “considering” having the Papal Nuncio “explain” himself.
If any other foreign State had spend so many years operating a child rape ring, profiting from child slave labour and corrupting government for it’s own ends we’d be declaring war now.

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