The Hypocrites: Der Spiegel on the Catholic Church and Sex

Der Spiegel
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The English translation is
The Hypocrites
The Catholic Church and Sex

Protecting Offenders, Ignoring Victims

A tremor is currently passing through the Catholic Church in Germany. It could be merely the beginning of an earthquake of proportions which have so far only been seen in the American and Irish Church. Tens of thousands of abuse cases were brought to light in both countries. Could Germany be next?

Full Der Spiegel Article online in English

Includes Graphic: Results of the SPIEGEL survey of German dioceses

OTHER CATHOLIC CHURCH ABUSE CASES

* Austria
* Canada
* United States
* Australia
* Philippines
* Ireland

Comments on Der Spiegel article are here.

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German translation of The God Squad. click on image to enlarge.

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33 comments on “The Hypocrites: Der Spiegel on the Catholic Church and Sex

  1. Any institution charged with responsibility for the care of children involves a potential for those children to be abused. If it happens, it doesn’t mean an entire institution participates in the abuse.

    However, if an institution turns a blind eye it means children cannot be safe within a system meant to protect them. Instead it protects the individuals responsible for the abuse.

    It is unfortunate this has happened in church institutions where people are supposed to be safe.

    Churches do a great deal of good in communities. Good that is rarely perceived. How terrible such evil acts overshadow that good.

    We all have choices to make every day. The consequences of any person’s choices may be far reaching toward the evil or the good.

    When evil deeds are done there is no shame in sounding the alarm.

    How much more of an affront it would be to allow evil to continue. To allow children to be harmed than to protect them.

  2. We are the same irish children who were stolen for slavery at the brutal hands of the Irish State and the Evil corupt Catholic Church who didn’t give a fart if we died from Their neglect and Abuse in their child PRISONS.

  3. remember when Jesus said to Saul, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” well, Paddy and friends, that is what you are doing to Christ, He is the head of the Church. The sinners have nothing to do with the Catholic church.

  4. To my commander in chief (Emer)
    With all this gold that you are going to get you would want to keep you’re meltdown centre a secret,because if you don’t you know who will
    get their hands on it.It won’t be just a gold necklace we will have to be looking at every time you know who is being interviewed,I am sure you can employ Barry and Hanora and my wife Lorraine to be your bodyguard’s and also to look after your gold shipments. I on the other hand can chase these shipments and just hope and pray something falls by the roadside so I can pick it up and bribe people to join my organisation.

  5. Thomas Miller/Honora Brennan

    THERE WILL BE NO SECOND CHANCES AROUND HERE

    THERE WILL BE NO APOLOGIES

    I DO NOT GET SACKED.

    I AM YOUR GROUP LEADER

    DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES MESS AROUND WITH ME

    Now SURVIVORS< do you see how we can avoid using the * word. This is great progress, I feel a GRANT coming on, where are the cameras I need to speak out. Is Charlie Bird back yet?
    All that gold, precious gold. Where are my assistants, oh sorry there you are lads, standing right behind me, keep it up lads, don't let the survivors get too near to me, don't want to catch anything.

  6. Emer, you forgot to mention that to win the award yourself, we’ll bugger the bejasus outta’ ya’ to vote up to 32 times and hey presto the award is won.

    Now who sacks you?

    Emer, Thomas, Lorraine, Angry, Barry et. al thank you all so much for the mirth. I don’t know what’s happening around Ireland but this infection is widespread; from Galway to Dublin, to Kilkenny and as far flung as London. Keep it up and we may soon have wings and halos! Who’s for the cherubim and seraphim – Grr!

  7. Emer,
    Apology accepted but I think you should have given your secretary a second chance. You are one shrewd woman. If I was to get the ring off the popes finger who would have the pleasure of melting it down? or would it contaminate the gold batch? What about the gold chain around the neck of someone that you and I know? What could we use that chain for? If you have a job offer going please Do Not Throw it in my direction. Don’t forget the march next month.
    Talk to you soon.
    Thomas Miller.

  8. To Thomas Miller

    Regarding wedding rings for the male population. That was an oversight on the part of my secretary. She is now back on the dole. Should be rule
    (7)
    All Jewelery to be deposited at time of registration. Rings, necklaces, brackets etc will be sent to contact to be melted down. We then intend having our FIRST AWARD ceremony with said melted gold. “A Gold STATUE”. We have designers right now working 24/7 on a design.

    Wedding Rings ARE “EXCLUDED”
    Apoligies for the error to you survivor wife Thomas.
    BTW as Paddy Doyle says
    NOTHING ABOUT US
    WITHOUT US
    NOW FORWARD
    AND MARCH
    Up Two Three Four
    Turn

  9. To whom may be reading this,
    What the hell is wrong with the Irish bishops? Are they afraid to speak up for all Irish survivors of this country? The Rat in the Vat (pope) did what he does best which was to ignore the letters that were handed in to him by Irish survivors.The Rat in the Vat has not got the balls to stand up and apologise for the suffering and the pain that his organisation caused to young boys and girls of this country. After all he is the head of the supposed Catholic Church of this country and worldwide.In my opinion the Rat in the Vat is treating the Irish survivors the same way that his predecessor did in the second world war,turned a blind eye to what was happening to the Jewish people.If this man wants to keep his organisation (cc)he would want to start rutting out the paedophiles and the people who helped to cover it up from his organisation so that they can face the full horrors of what they have done.The Rat in the Vat knew what was going on when he was secretary to Pope John PaulII.He knew about the Christian Brothers and the Nuns and the other 16 organisations that had committed horrific crimes on young Irish boys and girls and he did nothing about it.How does this beast sleep at night?So I say to Hell with him and his paedophile buddies.
    Thank you for reading this.
    P.S. I am totally disappointed with what went on in the Vatican over the last day and a bit, not 2 days.
    Thomas Miller.

  10. Emer,
    Not sure if you are serious or joking but you gave myself and my husband a good laugh. Myself and my husband would like to join your group but not sure if we can afford the fees. You said that men cannot wear jewellery does that include their wedding rings? If so then that rules my husband out. We could do with people like you on the march on the 24th of next month. You also stated what my husband has said all along, one voice for all Survivors. Once again thanks for the laugh.
    The wife of a Survivor.

  11. Yes Amanda, the link is working………perfectly.

  12. HOW TO SET UP A PROPERLY CONSTITUTED AND DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE TO REPRESENT SURVIVORS.

    A GROUP MEETING TO ELECT A COMMITTEE FROM THE GROUP.

    ELECT A COMMITTEE MINIMUM SEVEN MEMBERS
    ADOPT A CONSTITUTION
    CODE OF PRACTICE
    CODE OF CONDUCT
    ELECTION OF OFFICERS TO INCLUDE,
    CHAIR
    VICE-CHAIR
    TREASURER
    SECRETARY
    RESPONSIBILITIES

    Ok I’m ready. Who wants to be a member of my group?

    (1) Perks, Perks and more Perks
    Must be able to deal with the media, must love the media. Please do not apply if you are camera shy.

    (2) Sorry no jewellery to be worn by any male member.

    (3) This is a serious committee and we will get as much as possible out of them for us sorry “you”

    (4) We are aware that you did not get a full education, so we are prepared to accept any “X” when signing any bank cheques. We have insiders in the bank so no worries there.

    (5)All members must read Paddy Doyle’s book “The God Squad” for those who cannot read there will be special CD’s compliments of The Department of Education so you can listen instead. You see we are flexible, but DO NOT CROSS US.

    (6)Our group are interested in the following talents

    (a) Dancers (Irish)
    (b) Singers Survivor (Choir)
    (c) Poets (must be a Survivor)
    (d) Cooks (Hands to be washed)
    (e) No nail biters
    (f) No swearing. It will NOT BE TOLERATED
    (g) You must be available for Travel.
    (h) All expenses paid
    (i) Up to date passport required
    (j) We have survivors/members worldwide

    Please read or listen to the above very carefully. rules will be made up as we go along.

    If you click on Paddy’s website you automatically become a member and we will have you IP address for proof of membership.
    We anticipate sending out a letter once a year, but DO NOT DEPEND ON IT
    It all depends on how much THEY are giving us, remember we have family to feed, mobile phones (yes phones) to run. All members will get a direct mobile phone number on application. In the event that you receive the wrong number to ring, someone will be knocking on you door, so hand over any monies due, DO NOT MESS WITH WHO EVER IS AT YOUR DOOR>>>>>>> IMPORTANT

    We will be updating the rules asap. Please click and become a member instantly. Right now we are not repeat NOT charged for membership, but as I said rules will be updated

    REMEMBER.YOU ARE JUST ‘ONE’ CLICK AWAY
    BECOME A MEMBER TODAY
    IF YOUR NOT IN YOU CAN’T WIN

  13. HOW TO SET UP A PROPERLY CONSTITUTED AND DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE TO REPRESENT SURVIVORS.

    A GROUP MEETING TO ELECT A COMMITTEE FROM THE GROUP.

    ELECT A COMMITTEE MINIMUM SEVEN MEMBERS
    ADOPT A CONSTITUTION
    CODE OF PRACTICE
    CODE OF CONDUCT
    ELECTION OF OFFICERS TO INCLUDE,
    CHAIR
    VICE-CHAIR
    TREASURER
    SECRETARY
    RESPONSIBILITIES

    Ok I’m ready. Who wants to be a member of my group?

    (1) Perks, Perks and more Perks
    Must be able to deal with the media, must love the media. Please do not apply if you are camera shy.

    (2) Sorry no jewellry to be worn by any male member.

    (3) This is a serious committee and we will get as much as possible out of them for us sorry “you”

    (4) We are aware that you did not get a full education, so we are prepared to accept any “X” when signing any bank cheques. We have insiders in the bank so no worries there.

    (5)All members must read Paddy Doyle’s book “The God Squad” for those who cannot read there will be special CD’s compliments of The Department of Education so you can listen instead. You see we are flexable, but DO NOT CROSS US.

    (6)Our group are interested in the following talents

    (a) Dancers (Irish)
    (b) Singers Survivor (Choir)
    (c) Poets (must be a Survivor)
    (d) Cooks (Hands to be washed)
    (e) No nail biters
    (f) No swearing. It will NOT BE TOLERATED

    Please read or listen to the above very carefully. rules will be made up as we go along.

    If you click on paddy’s website you automatically become a member and we will have you IP address for proof f membership
    we anticipate sending out a letter once a year, but DO NOT DEPEND ON IT
    It all depends on how much THEY are giving us, remember we have family to feed, mobile phones (yes phones) to run. All members will get a direct mobile phone number on application. In the event that you receive the wrong number to ring, someone will be knocking on you door, so hand over any monies due, DO NOT MESS WITH WHO EVER IS AT YOUR DOOR>>>>>>> IMPORTANT

    We will be updating the rules asap. Please click and become a member instantly. Right now we are not repeat NOT changing for membership, but as I said rules will be updated

  14. Ok Who paid for the leaflet that was handed out on Valentines day
    OK BRW Valentines Day, that rings a bell

    Right of Place (Chris heaphy)
    Irish SOCA (Jonh kelly)
    TSISA (Tom Cronin)
    Alliance (Tom Hays)
    Right to Peace (Michael O’Brien)
    JAHFIA (Sean Leonard)
    ISIA (Paul Cronin)

  15. WHERE’S your fine words now MR COWEN

    THE CHURCH has just put 2 fingers up to you

    Will you be calling them in for a chat?

    And repeating your statement of 2009
    “Further substantial redress for survivors”
    Your people, your tax payers, your voters, remember the oath you gave on taking office Brian.

    Christy

  16. HI
    I see the LAVADA of waters are flowing in germany just now,lots of the holy stuff to be had eh boyz

    Christy

  17. For the information of anyone purporting to be the leader/co-ordinator/spokes person

    HOW TO SET UP A PROPERLY CONSTITUTED AND DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE TO REPRESENT SURVIVORS.

    A GROUP MEETING TO ELECT A COMMITTEE FROM THE GROUP.

    ELECT A COMMITTEE MINIMUM SEVEN MEMBERS
    ADOPT A CONSTITUTION
    CODE OF PRACTICE
    CODE OF CONDUCT
    ELECTION OF OFFICERS TO INCLUDE,
    CHAIR
    VICE-CHAIR
    TREASURER
    SECRETARY
    RESPONSIBILITIES

    CHAIRPERSON- TO CHAIR ALL MEETINGS OF THE GROUP AND TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AND CODE OF CONDUCT AND TO KEEPING FULLY INFORMED REGARDING ANY OR ALL CHANGES THAT MAY AFFECT THE GROUP.

    SECRETARY TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES OF THE GROUP AND TO KEEP ALL MEMBERS INFORMED OF ALL MATTERS OF INTEREST.

    TREASURER TO KEEP PROPER ACCOUNTS OF ALL MONIES INCOMING AND OUTGOING AND TO PROVIDE THE GROUP WITH INDEPENDENT AUDITS FOR ALL INTERESTED PARTIES.

    VICE CHAIR TO KEEP INFORMED OF ALL MATTERS RELATING TO THE GROUP AND TO ACT AS CHAIR IN THE ABSENCE OF THE CHAIRPERSON.

    COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO ATTEND ALL COMMITTEE AND OPEN MEETINGS AND TO KEEP UPTO DATE WITH ALL MATTERS RELATING TO THEIR DUTIES AS COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

    N.B. IT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM FOR ANY SECRETARY OF ANY SURVIVORS GROUP TO BE ABLE TO SUPPLY ON DEMAND 5 YEARS WORTH OF RECORDS OF ACCOUNTS, ELECTION RECORDS OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP(FROM AGM’s) AND THE MINUTES OF ALL MEETINGS.

    ALSO IT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM FOR ANY TREASURER OF A SURVIVORS GROUP TO TO SUPPLY ON DEMAND 5 YEARS WORTH OF ITEMISED ACCOUNTS AND RECEIPTS OF ALL MONIES INCOMING AND OUTGOING.

    SO IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF A SURVIVORS GROUP WHY NOT TEST THE CREDIBILITY OF THE GROUP COMMITTEE I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT ANY GENUINE OFFICERS WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUPPLY THE ABOVE IF YOU CAN FIND ONE.

    CHRISTY

  18. HI PADDY

    WHO said in 2002

    “I HAVEN’T REALLY BEEN FOLLOWING THAT AT ALL IT’S REALLY A MATTER FOR THE CHURCH
    IT’S NOT A MATTER FOR POLITICIANS”
    I am not going to cross politics and religion.

    WHO said in 2009

    ” I shall be seeking further substantial redress for survivors from the religious”

    AND the answer is

    Bertie Ahern

    and

    Brian Cowan

    Christy

  19. As expected, all newsprint on the Rome “crisis” meeting of Irish bishops centres on “renewal” of the church in Ireland. Very little mention of survivors. A “retreat” was held at Knock by the bishops before departure for Rome, no indication as to the merits of this “retreat”, was it tactical or stragetic, or just another garrulous display in how to misapproiate hard pressed parishoners donations to cover expensive hotel bills at Knock, not to mention the costs incurred by these bishops and their entourages as they jetted of for The City Of Sin,La Dolce Vita indeed.

    The bulk of these meetings in Rome are behind closed doors, thereby continuing the long tradition to more tragic development in ignoring the survivors of clerical sexual terrorism in favour of a “renewal” to a church responsible for crimes against humanity BEFORE addressing those crimes.

    The worst of a gulf is, that it is very difficult to know what is happening on the other side of it. Also the worst of unqualified omnipotence is that it is accompanied by “responsibility” for every detail of every happening. And its the detail of every “happening” of clerical child sexual abuse which is being consciously ignored at this despots meeting in Rome. That nothing but tosh will come of these bishops meeting in Rome has already been evidenced by this papal noncio in Dublin, Leanza, who hiding behind a cloak of Diplomatic Immunity has just raised two fingers not only to the State , but to the Irish Nation in total. Perhaps like a previous papal noncio before him , Allibrandi, this Leanza is also somewhat slightly “eccentric”, and he too, like Allibrandi is prone to playing THE GODFATHER theme on the church organ. How apt.

    Diplomatic Immunity should have no place where the investigation into sexual crimes against children is being formatted by the State as to how such widespread abuses occured and went unchecked by the hierarchy, despite the evidence in their possession to such abuse being continual, unrelenting and consciously ignored by those capable of halting it , but failed to do so , on the premise that avoiding scandal to the church overode the need to protect vulnerable children from the attentions of KNOWN PAEDOPHILES within the church.

    These bishops, archbishops, cardinals and other members of the hierarchy, among them lawyers, barristers, scholars, professors, philosphers, “canon” lawyers, social science experts, psychologists, tutors, teachers, you name it, in an educational sense this church was, we are led to believe “gifted” with the most erudite of the population. But these “scholars” , to a man, took the easy path of ignoring CRIMES OF STAGGERING BEASTIALITY inflicted upon children, it became in itself salutary for them to side- step these grave matters, and we are informed of at least ONE of them, “troubled” by an uneasy conscience, so he says, nonetheless , walked on by, and in retrospect should have “”challenged the prevailing cultre”" of cover up of lies and deceit, but lacked the bottle, and opted for the easy life, knowing his failure as a “man of god” was now complete. We can only conclude that his church, at the top of creation ceased to be the well defined foundation for “moral principle”, as doctrine and “canon” law in his case was so readily ceded to dark satanic forces, waiting, dressed in black, for unsuspecting children.

    The only point of note worth considering of this staged pantomine presently taking place in Rome is that ANY further revealations of abuse held in diocesan files and NOT released before this junket to rome, must serve as a benchmark to any bishop who has failed to disclose such cases, in itself being a case for his immediate dismissal coupled with criminal investigation as to why these files were not released.

    While such diversionary tactics take place in Rome, in the short term it may be of benefit to the bishops, in that focus centres on them , but only momentarily, they are STILL returning to the problems left behind temporarily. Instead of returning with their Lenten letter from Ratzinger, they should insist that the “letter” be substitued for a cheque drawn on the Vaticans Bank for some FIVE BILLION EURO, then they may be listened to. Unti then , NO SURRENDER. REDRESS IN OUR TIME.

  20. how did it get to the point that survivers groups are now turning against each other in a cat and mouth chase for what seems to me to be a power struggle over and above what we sould be all standing for togather….id say its rome that are looking in laughing at use all as we tear each other apart with are words…sad….patrick

  21. WAS IT 60 150 or 200 at the meeting
    were people intimidated? if so call 999

    YOU cannot be given a mandate by a public meeting

    were people given expenses to attend??

    were people given an agenda

    were minutes taken??

    were any reporters present???

    who paid for the hire of the hall????

    christy

  22. To Angry,

    How incisive and rapier sharp that powerful prose of yours is. It’s good to give Barry, MMaguire, CO’Rourke, Ed Burke et al a good run for their money!!

    What wonderful scribes you all are! The pen is mightier than the sword!

    Keep well.

  23. Ladies and Gentleman.
    I was at the meeting at Liberty Hall yesterday, February 14th, 2010, in my opinion there was nothing but bully tactics going on between John Kelly and his friends. Most of the people that were at that meeting were from John Kelly’s group. I saw group leader’s there from that I did groups that I did not know existed or their organisations. Where were these group leader’s over the last 10yrs? Or should I say what were they doing over the last 10yrs? If they say they were looking after Survivors or lobbying for Survivors, I can say with my hand on my heart none of them asked me or any of the Survivors that I know from the west of Ireland to speak for me or them, because in the last 10yrs the Survivors from the west of Ireland have not heard from them. At the meeting yesterday a Survivor got up to ask a question and he was told to shut up. When he did not stay quiet a member from John Kelly’s group came over and told him to shut the f*** up. I stood up and told him that was no way to speak to anyone. Another lady got up to ask a question and she was told to sit down and stay quiet. An elderly lady across from her also stood up to ask a question and she was told the same. An elderly gentleman across from me was treated in the same way. When I got a chance to speak most of the group leaders had got up and left the room. I was told by the person sitting beside John Kelly that I had no right to be there. I told him that I was a Survivor like the rest of them. Every person that got up to say something were not allowed to finish what they had to say because of John Kelly and the person sitting beside him. If these were not bully tactics by John Kelly and his buddy I don’t know what is. I am not a member of any group and if I was to join a group it would not be with any of the one’s that were there yesterday. I had 2 ladies from the west of Ireland with me yesterday and when they asked Michael O’Brien when did he first hear about the meeting, he said that morning when he opened his laptop. I find that very strange because I had met the man 2 weeks previous and informed him of the meeting. In my opinion Michael O’Brien has a very short memory span. I am not here to score points in my opinion all Survivors of Ireland should have one voice to speak on behalf of all Survivors. I would like to propose that one Survivor from each county be elected. Please don’t forget the march on the 24th of next month at St.Mary’s Pro-Cathederal @ 11.30am.Hoping to see you all there.
    Thanking you,
    Thomas Miller.

  24. “OTHER CATHOLIC CHURCH ABUSE CASES

    * Austria
    * Canada
    * United States
    * Australia
    * Philippines
    * Ireland”

    They forgot to mention Mexico, and Central, and South America. When those countries realize what’s been happening to their children because of priests, bishops, etc., for hundreds of years, the top will surely blow. Many abusers from this country(u.S.A.)have hot footed it south of our borders when it became too hot up here for them.

  25. John Brown in Queensland Australia has been badgering his government about child sexual abuse and clerical abuse issues. The government in Australia’s stock response to him has been, ‘TAKE IT UP WITH THE CHURCH!’ How callous and indifferent is that? You could support him by contacting your Australian Consulate and letting them know that their wimpy reply is not good enough! DO SOMETHING!

  26. Strumpet City moves to Rome. “Rashers Tierney” vindicated in his life long struggle highlighting depraved corruption within the church.
    Twenty four bishops are “invited” to Rome, houseboys included in the entourage, mitres neatly packed , frocks freshly pressed, little red skullbashers placed neatly on heads, rosaries clasped tightly , and a last minute swatting up on “”Mental Reservation” completes the image.

    It`s the as yet unannounced “invitation” of these bishops to the BRIDEWELL which intersts most , not a cosy all expenses paid junket to the City Of Sin, at the expense of the hard pressed parishoner. It`s the BRIDEWELL where answers would be, and could be obtained for the rampant collective and complicit guilt of these so called bishops as they consciously and wifully pursued a policy of reckless endangerment to innocent children without recourse to the observation of “unintended consequences”.

    The world has witnessed in Ireland , the Ferns Report, The Ryan Report , The Murphy Report, and bubbling away in the wings the soon to be published Cloyne Report, not forgetting the Mc Coy Report where the revealations of atrocious crimes perpetrated on physically and mentally impaired children hardly went reported. The above report`s have exposed the bishops and other religious orders as towering above all other accountable institutions, and for many decades, outrivalling the State itself. Accordingly, its analogy to the secular world and to other professional institutions became obscured by the greatness of uncontrolled power exercised without restraint beginning from Mc Quaids era.

    The meeting of these bishops over the next two days is the last remaining vestige of that power. As a consumate Diplomat , Diarmuid Martin recognises that fact , unfortunately his bishops don`t. They still attempt to hold onto power , and pursue unhindered, their indolent and non productive “offices” of diocesan trivia which ably demonstrate`s the dangers of extravagant notions. Such a notion in question, being their attempted retention of power.

    This junket currently taking place in Rome has only one item on its agenda, and that is to stop, by any and all means a nationwide audit into the cases relating to the abuse of children presently held in their files, and as yet unreported, or even investigated. How such a meeting can be conducted in Rome without the bishops releasing ALL relevent and active documentation bordering on the criminal abuse of children beggars belief.
    Such a move on their behalf does not augur well for their continuence in office as the “”guardians”" of childrens welfare.?. Are these bishops taking any of their legal representatives with them . As Rome and the Irish hierarchy have already demonstrated the bald fact that they never “understood” that the clerical sexual abuse of children was a criminal offence, nor the damage it could do, perhaps a few solicitors at this meeting may not go amiss.?. Or will we witness once again the necessity for large capital expenditure, with the aid of “legal ingenuity” to produce a “commercial corporation” within this church with limited liability.?. Realization now dawns for the bishops that PROFUSE APOLOGIES and countless MEA CULPA`S is just not cutting it. More so for those bishops now in Rome who have UNREPORTED ABUSE CASES ON THEIR BOOKS…

    This meeting can only be viewed as a scam , and a scam of staggering proportions. Its about bishops, by bishops, for bishops. There are no external sources given the opportuity for input into this meeting, no abuse survivors, no Gardai, no State representative, and worse, no Desmond Connell to give HIS explanation of why he saw fit to adopt the mantle of loan shark to facilitate errant clerics in paying off their victims, and adding “confidentiality clauses” for such payments to boot. Up to date, no suitable explanations have been advanced by the hierarchy as to the extent of these payments, and more importantly, exactly where these “abuse funds” were drawn from. There are still countless answers to be supplied by this hierarchy in regard to how it operated, and who knew what, and when.

    Which bishop is going to do a “”Chamberlain”" at Dublin Airport following their meeting and eventual return to Dublin, which one of these bishops is going to wave a piece of paper in the air and declare , “REDRESS IN OUR TIME”", in the hope that the masses are intellectually quiscent, and hoping for a fusion of “ideal and economic” policies, making the stuff of history.?. Which bishop would have the bottle for such a move, short answer, NOT ONE OF THEM .

    However, all is not lost for the bishops, there is an expectation that some “Group Leaders” will meet the bishops on their return , who will suitably prostrate themselves at the bishops feet , kiss their rings, and hopefully for them, the bishops will keep their trousers on during this tender embrace.

  27. Barry..did you make that poem up?..please will you talk to me about it.

    I’ve not heard back from you yet. I know your busy but if you can please send me the posters or call me for a quick chat..
    Anne..

  28. Vatican, Cover ups Irish Problem???????

    56 plus Contries. http://www.Colmogorman.com has more info. 10% priest in Brazil. Over 2000 survivors reported in Media in Aus during popes visit where I am supposed to be with Son and Wifes and new Son. 1962 Edicts and 2002 riteration. Looks Like we Found the Beast of Rome in Judah numerology fox represent 6. The full Title of the pope etc.

    The Holy Father Pope, Bishop Of Rome, Holy Roman Emperor, The Holy Roman Catholic Church, Pharoicial setup of Hades with 3 headed Hound Father, Father, Father. Guards the gates to hell. 666

    Revelations not the Name but the numbers of the Beast are in the Title. Wisdom Comes!
    Also Egytian sect, The Hound Headed Man. They Opened the Book of Death, to try and Exlude the Book of Life. Religion was one of the Banned to the Book of Death when we conquered the Pharoes, Cleo opened it for Caeser but truely Mark Antohny. She broke the Covent.

    This battle we all Fight was fought in Myths and Legends that way of times written history.

    Roman Catholic Church Worlds Largest Cult. Beast Of Rome the merciless Roman Catholic Society that persecutes with Injustice, Prejudice and Greed. Against the victims of their Cult Religious and Leaders.

  29. Paddy,

    A little excursion in Poland a couple of weeks back, the Irish explosion is big stuff there, really big, lots of people are talking about it in pure disgust. Under Communism, the RCC were not allowed in the education system nor any NGO role so abuse is not so endemic. However, John Paul 2,( The holy) was of course Polish and some older Poles would like the soles of his feet if they had the chance. So now this pre christmas Irish stuff is just gutting them. They associated democracy and freedom with catholocism. Hey but talking to people there, just ordinary people there, they are not stupid, they know exactly what that church is up to. Poland has a bit of a soft spot for clerics and magic muff from medieval times. Still, the huge number of Poles in Ireland and Britain are taking back the truth, internet or no internet.

    So hands off Poland, you vatican blaggards, you have had it there too.

    RB

  30. Damien, someone phoned me today asking if I was going to that meeting in Liberty Hall. My reply was ‘I wouldn’t be seen dead at it’. Like you and like so many others, the organisers have no authority from me to utter a single syllable on my behalf just and they don’t have that authority from the many, many people that write to me or post messages on this site. Best wishes and please remember you didn’t cause me any offence whatever. Paddy.

  31. PADDY, SORRY IF MY SUGGESTION ABOUT GOING TO LIBERTY HALL AND MEETING AT WYNN’S BEFOREHAND SEEMED INSENSITIVE. I DIDN’T MEAN IT TO BE SO. THE HISTORY OF WYNN’S, I DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT.ABOUT GOING TO LIBERTY HALL INTO THE SOCA MEETING, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA IF PEOPLE WHO CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR SITE, CHALLENGED THE AUTHORITY OF SOCA AND THEIR UNACCOUNTABILITY. THEY DON’T REPRESENT ME AND NEVER HAVE. I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE ANGRY AND UPSET WITH THEM AND SINCE YOU CAN’T EVEN CONTACT THEM, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHALLENGE THEM IN LIBERTY HALL. I HOPE THAT MAKES IT CLEARER WHERE I WAS COMING FROM.

  32. Paddy, I was just looking at your Channel 4 video of the 80′s and I can see the handsome hunk of then and the pain of today etched on those noble features of yours! Though time may not have served you well you can be damned sure history will! Keep on Paddy and you will get your answers!

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