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	<title>Comments on: Victims ask Pope for €1bn</title>
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		<title>By: Doctor Rosaleen Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Rosaleen Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it in one....The teaching in the Bible &quot; Suffer little children to come unto me&quot; was never meant to suggest that children should suffer...we were advised to be as little children...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it in one&#8230;.The teaching in the Bible &#8221; Suffer little children to come unto me&#8221; was never meant to suggest that children should suffer&#8230;we were advised to be as little children&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: corneilius</title>
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		<dc:creator>corneilius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to clarify my point above. 

What we are looking at there is the NEED for a profound change in the way Society operates. 

The actions of The Catholic Church and State, and of many National Governments, Lawyers, Barristers, Experts and &#039;well meaning people&#039; reveal an abiding concern for protecting their power, prestige and image that often exceeds their concern for the victims, for the survivors and their helpers.. 

The best way to assess a society is in how that society treats all it&#039;s children, and all children.........

This society is failing so many children, and because it&#039;s caused by things people do, by human action, it can stop by human action. 

Can we please stop the lies, the games, the prevarications, the marketing, the selling, the conditioning and indoctrination. 

Are we strong enough to face the truth, to step into the light.

Do we care enough about ALL our children to act as their advocates, to listen to them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to clarify my point above. </p>
<p>What we are looking at there is the NEED for a profound change in the way Society operates. </p>
<p>The actions of The Catholic Church and State, and of many National Governments, Lawyers, Barristers, Experts and &#8216;well meaning people&#8217; reveal an abiding concern for protecting their power, prestige and image that often exceeds their concern for the victims, for the survivors and their helpers.. </p>
<p>The best way to assess a society is in how that society treats all it&#8217;s children, and all children&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>This society is failing so many children, and because it&#8217;s caused by things people do, by human action, it can stop by human action. </p>
<p>Can we please stop the lies, the games, the prevarications, the marketing, the selling, the conditioning and indoctrination. </p>
<p>Are we strong enough to face the truth, to step into the light.</p>
<p>Do we care enough about ALL our children to act as their advocates, to listen to them?</p>
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		<title>By: Hanora Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanora Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosaleen, 

I see that St. Luke&#039;s has now been closed and the patients are to be transferred to our Psychiatric Unit at St. Luke&#039;s here in Kilkenny. I can&#039;t imagine what you went through in those particular &#039;dark&#039; places but I&#039;ve met quite a number of former detainees and could recommend a number who could do with a spell in the &#039;horse box&#039; as an allusion to the padded cell! Yes, it still goes on Folks! Vulnerable people locked up and CCTV watching their every move! No human nor civil rights are accorded them. We&#039;re merely emerging from the neanderthal cave in evolution terms and have a LONG LONG way to go! Hopefully, not to Tipperary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosaleen, </p>
<p>I see that St. Luke&#8217;s has now been closed and the patients are to be transferred to our Psychiatric Unit at St. Luke&#8217;s here in Kilkenny. I can&#8217;t imagine what you went through in those particular &#8216;dark&#8217; places but I&#8217;ve met quite a number of former detainees and could recommend a number who could do with a spell in the &#8216;horse box&#8217; as an allusion to the padded cell! Yes, it still goes on Folks! Vulnerable people locked up and CCTV watching their every move! No human nor civil rights are accorded them. We&#8217;re merely emerging from the neanderthal cave in evolution terms and have a LONG LONG way to go! Hopefully, not to Tipperary!</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Rosaleen Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Rosaleen Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started the new group called Templemore Forgotten Victims, to support ex detainees like myself who were locked away as children in these big out dated Institutions like St Luke`s Clonmel.The Catholic Church were involved there was a church on the grounds and the nuns came in to give injections then they were gone.  So called nurses employed by the state were there day and night.  An Inspector`s report was published and said that the nurses food was kept in the toilet - God knows where patient`s food was kept...I resigned from Irish S O C A years ago because there was no way John Kelly would have understood what went on in these mental institutions and I did not wish him to speak on my behalf because of this...Doctor Rosaleen Rogers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started the new group called Templemore Forgotten Victims, to support ex detainees like myself who were locked away as children in these big out dated Institutions like St Luke`s Clonmel.The Catholic Church were involved there was a church on the grounds and the nuns came in to give injections then they were gone.  So called nurses employed by the state were there day and night.  An Inspector`s report was published and said that the nurses food was kept in the toilet &#8211; God knows where patient`s food was kept&#8230;I resigned from Irish S O C A years ago because there was no way John Kelly would have understood what went on in these mental institutions and I did not wish him to speak on my behalf because of this&#8230;Doctor Rosaleen Rogers</p>
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		<title>By: corneilius</title>
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		<dc:creator>corneilius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This dirty grubbing for cash has to come AFTER a full disclosure, a series of prosecutions and prison sentences for all those involved, both in the initial abuses and the subsequent cover-ups.

One the one hand there is a criminal issue, and on the other reparations and healing....

The healing cannot happen until the facts are faced - this society is founded on abuse, sustains itself by abuse and is identifiable by it&#039;s abuse more than by any other factor.

Without this, the &#039;healing&#039; will be merely an adjustment to a sick society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This dirty grubbing for cash has to come AFTER a full disclosure, a series of prosecutions and prison sentences for all those involved, both in the initial abuses and the subsequent cover-ups.</p>
<p>One the one hand there is a criminal issue, and on the other reparations and healing&#8230;.</p>
<p>The healing cannot happen until the facts are faced &#8211; this society is founded on abuse, sustains itself by abuse and is identifiable by it&#8217;s abuse more than by any other factor.</p>
<p>Without this, the &#8216;healing&#8217; will be merely an adjustment to a sick society.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanora Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanora Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kate,

These are the people who &#039;promised&#039; survivors they would receive 300,000 plus 64,000 aggravated damages all through last summer at meetings up and down this country. I&#039;ve sent out a global email with the world and his wife copied in to our GREAT AND GOOD ONES to explain these figures. If you do the maths. we would be needing to ask for 6 billion if these sums are to be realizes. For some, it is only the money but plenty of us have the bigger picture in place and mind!

Hope you all have a good Valentines&#039; Day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate,</p>
<p>These are the people who &#8216;promised&#8217; survivors they would receive 300,000 plus 64,000 aggravated damages all through last summer at meetings up and down this country. I&#8217;ve sent out a global email with the world and his wife copied in to our GREAT AND GOOD ONES to explain these figures. If you do the maths. we would be needing to ask for 6 billion if these sums are to be realizes. For some, it is only the money but plenty of us have the bigger picture in place and mind!</p>
<p>Hope you all have a good Valentines&#8217; Day!</p>
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		<title>By: Hanora Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanora Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mentality of these &#039;Group Goys and Gals&#039; is so offensive to others that do not toe their party line. John Kelly is currently hosting a meeting in LIberty Hall to &#039;explain ALL to survivors&#039; so it will be interesting to see what emerges from our esteemed GREAT ONE!

He has told others that the March on 24 March is nothing and to ignore it! I think Big John and Co. will have a rude awakening on the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mentality of these &#8216;Group Goys and Gals&#8217; is so offensive to others that do not toe their party line. John Kelly is currently hosting a meeting in LIberty Hall to &#8216;explain ALL to survivors&#8217; so it will be interesting to see what emerges from our esteemed GREAT ONE!</p>
<p>He has told others that the March on 24 March is nothing and to ignore it! I think Big John and Co. will have a rude awakening on the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.independent.ie/national-news/martin-to-present-pope-with-victims-demands-2061798.html

I see from yesterday’s Irish Independent the Clonmel Bellows doesn&#039;t want that  €1b from the Pope after all - he just wants to glad hand him and perhaps kiss his feet  - so does Christine Buckley. What do they expect from an encounter with the German Pope besides tons of photographs to hand to their friends?  What can’t they say to the Bishops that can only be said to the Pope? I supposs this is what they call jiggery Popery up North.I hope its not catching. 
There is a British Army expression &quot;arse in cake&quot; for all this sort of carry on. Mark my words, nothing good will come of it.</description>
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<p>I see from yesterday’s Irish Independent the Clonmel Bellows doesn&#8217;t want that  €1b from the Pope after all &#8211; he just wants to glad hand him and perhaps kiss his feet  &#8211; so does Christine Buckley. What do they expect from an encounter with the German Pope besides tons of photographs to hand to their friends?  What can’t they say to the Bishops that can only be said to the Pope? I supposs this is what they call jiggery Popery up North.I hope its not catching.<br />
There is a British Army expression &#8220;arse in cake&#8221; for all this sort of carry on. Mark my words, nothing good will come of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Beresford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Beresford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick: yours 10.02.10

You suggest that the Irish child prison survivors forgive. I’m not sure what you mean by that.

Ireland illegally imprisoned me at the age of 13 back in the 1960s. I escaped from the abusive Dublin prison (Artane) and fled to England. The Irish authorities issued a warrant for my arrest and tried to drag me back to prison. I managed to avoid re-capture and I have lived as a child prison refugee ever since. I could never return to Ireland for fear of State persecution.

In 1999 the Irish State offered what it called a “sincere apology” to its former child prisoners. I asked the Irish government, pursuant to that apology, to issue me a piece of paper invalidating the illegal detention order and the illegal arrest warrant that still stood against my name. I explained that the State has a Constitutional duty to restore my good name and that I would accept the piece of paper as fulfilment of that duty.

For the past eleven years the Irish government has stubbornly refused to issue that piece of paper. So long as those illegal documents stand against my name I remain a second class Irish citizen and would be subject to discrimination by State and people alike were I ever to take up residence in Ireland or even visit the country.

By refusing to issue the piece of paper the Irish government has effectively condemned me to permanent exile from the country of my birth. There are thousands of Irish child prison refugees like me in the UK.

Does forgiveness in my case mean dropping my legitimate demand for justice and resigning myself to second class citizenship?  You surely don’t think I should forgive the delinquent Irish State while it still has its jackboot on my neck, do you? 

Jim Beresford, former Artane child prisoner 14262, Huddersfield, England
jim.beresford@btinternet.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick: yours 10.02.10</p>
<p>You suggest that the Irish child prison survivors forgive. I’m not sure what you mean by that.</p>
<p>Ireland illegally imprisoned me at the age of 13 back in the 1960s. I escaped from the abusive Dublin prison (Artane) and fled to England. The Irish authorities issued a warrant for my arrest and tried to drag me back to prison. I managed to avoid re-capture and I have lived as a child prison refugee ever since. I could never return to Ireland for fear of State persecution.</p>
<p>In 1999 the Irish State offered what it called a “sincere apology” to its former child prisoners. I asked the Irish government, pursuant to that apology, to issue me a piece of paper invalidating the illegal detention order and the illegal arrest warrant that still stood against my name. I explained that the State has a Constitutional duty to restore my good name and that I would accept the piece of paper as fulfilment of that duty.</p>
<p>For the past eleven years the Irish government has stubbornly refused to issue that piece of paper. So long as those illegal documents stand against my name I remain a second class Irish citizen and would be subject to discrimination by State and people alike were I ever to take up residence in Ireland or even visit the country.</p>
<p>By refusing to issue the piece of paper the Irish government has effectively condemned me to permanent exile from the country of my birth. There are thousands of Irish child prison refugees like me in the UK.</p>
<p>Does forgiveness in my case mean dropping my legitimate demand for justice and resigning myself to second class citizenship?  You surely don’t think I should forgive the delinquent Irish State while it still has its jackboot on my neck, do you? </p>
<p>Jim Beresford, former Artane child prisoner 14262, Huddersfield, England<br />
<a href="mailto:jim.beresford@btinternet.com">jim.beresford@btinternet.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: patrick bentley</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paddy.The greatest fear I&#039;d hold for survivors is when this money is handed over and people get what they should have got from the state. What then? Will survivors move on with the help of therapy and forgive and find a life for themselves. That was Don Baker&#039;s point on the &quot;Late Late Show&quot; some time back. We need to find a line and cross it and move on. It&#039;s sad to say but Christine Buckley looks like a woman whose soul is so wrapped up in this on going fight for justice that when its over they will have nothing healthy to fall back on in life. She needs to take more care of herself or her anger will be the death of her. My prayer is that there will be true healing from God himself and that we&#039;ll stop needing people like the Pope and co to say their empty sorrys..Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paddy.The greatest fear I&#8217;d hold for survivors is when this money is handed over and people get what they should have got from the state. What then? Will survivors move on with the help of therapy and forgive and find a life for themselves. That was Don Baker&#8217;s point on the &#8220;Late Late Show&#8221; some time back. We need to find a line and cross it and move on. It&#8217;s sad to say but Christine Buckley looks like a woman whose soul is so wrapped up in this on going fight for justice that when its over they will have nothing healthy to fall back on in life. She needs to take more care of herself or her anger will be the death of her. My prayer is that there will be true healing from God himself and that we&#8217;ll stop needing people like the Pope and co to say their empty sorrys..Patrick</p>
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