Following a meeting of it’s members, ‘Let Our Voices Emerge’ have decided to give their wholehearted support to those Survivors of Institutional abuse who are now calling on the State to appoint an independent spokesperson for them.They state that the present group leaders were not elected by them, and they fear their concerns and opinions re the compensation schemes are not being listened to.
After the Taoiseachs apology in 1999 approximately eight different groups emerged, all getting an inordinate amount of State funding to support survivors. Friction over leaderships and finances ensured then as it does now – that the groups stay separate and many Survivors who have spoken to us state they feel no sense of cohesion in their struggle for help and justice. Many state that there is no democratically elected single leader to represent them, and they fear the compensation from the Religious/ State coffers will not be dealt with effectively. Following the meeting last April with the Taoiseach which descended in to name calling and fighting amongst the various group leaders, they fear the loss of public support should this continue.
‘Voicesemerge’ formed in 2002 and though we are a registered charity we have never received State funding. Our purpose, as ex inmates of the Industrial schools was to support those managers/inmates whom we felt were being accused unjustly for compensation in the Redress Board. Many of our own members- themselves abused, some viciously, were not willing to see an innocent nuns/brothers/inmates brought down in the search for justice.
Back in 2003 we requested that the State appoint an independent representative for all of the Survivors instead of funding so many groups individually. This provoked an outcry from the groups.We also asked that the State audit the individual groups, again (except for Ashlinn), there was outrage.
To achieve justice for so many Survivors a State representative must be appointed.
Florence Horsman Hogan
‘Let Our Voices Emerge’
Dear Seanie,
No, your poem is not childlike! and moved me deeply. That was real life back then in it’s rawest form. I have thought non stop the last few day’s of certain incident’s which has evoked many feelings, thought’s and memorie’s..been quite painful, but I push on.
Just to let you know Seanie, I have two major Newspaper’s in England that are waiting for the go ahead with great interest of my story. Not only that, the story of other certain individuals from this site who have no Representation and who are being continuously ignored, whom I shall also be speaking up for.
I have been informed Legally that I am within my right’s to object, sue any person/persons who claim to Represent me without my consent. Also, My Legal Rep will apply for a copy/statement’s from The Religious Orders which shall be scrutinised as to what, how, when E.C.T. these monie’s should be dispursed/what was intended.
It is has been recorded on many occassions that The Religious Orders would, and I quote; ” CONTRIBUTE FURTHER COMPENSATION FOR SURVIVOR’S OF CHILD ABUSE” This is basically what it say’s on the tin so to speak, and for the state to make deal’s with Leaders/Group’s/Reps E.C.T without my permission, acknowledgment, of anyone who hasn’t or doesn’t want to be represented by them they therefore have a Legal and moral obligation to liase with any other survivor of abuse as they have done so with these Goups.
Thankyou for that poem Seanie and your kind words, it’s so nice to connect, share and recall events however painful they maybe, as from this we shall NEVER LOSE OUR FIGHTING SPIRIT.
Kind Regards,
Anne.
QUOTE-29/05/2009-News Article.
For your information. This is a quote made by Mr Bran Cowen.
They were required to pay €128 million ($228m), but a redress scheme has already paid out almost €1 billion ($1.78bn) in compensation and legal fees to about 12,500 of more than 14,500 victims.
Next week Prime Minister Brian Cowen will meet representatives of the 18 religious orders at the centre of the scandal “”TO SEEK GREATER COMPENSATION FRO THEM”"
Describing the report as “one of the most important documents of our time”, Cowen said he was “appalled by what I have read and horrified by what the victims have had to endure.
“It is my Government’s unshakeable view that, in the light of the report’s findings, there is a moral obligation on the congregations (religious orders) to contribute more by way of reparation.
“The Government will convey these views directly to the congregations when I meet them,” he said.
Regards everyone,
Anne.
I shall be intouch next week, with many more recorded ” statement’s ” E.C.T.
reading the above stories makes me stand back in shock and horror…someone asked me on here what would be my motive for going on hunger strike..well read annes story again and theres your answer…..
Patrick. Annes (and others)stories is (are) desperately tragic and very sad and I feel for her. There are, unfortunately, many like Anne who have not, as yet, managed to tell their stories and I have no doubt that they would be equally as horrific. But to justify Annes (and others) very sad life to go on hungry strike is hardly going to help Anne or any other survivor at this stage. The very idea just means that you will be lowering yourself to their meaning and also you would be one less to convey a story. I have no time for so called hunger strikes and I believe the energy would (and should) be put to better use by continuing to have your say and airing your grieviences to the government and to any other bodies. Even if the results prove negative you must not give up. Going on Hunger Strike or supporting anyone who wishes to do the same means that you have washed you hands of the whole sorry saga of fighting for the rights of survivors of institional abuse when they were children.
Thankyou Patrick for your kind words, and to everyone else..there are too many heartbreaking story’s to be told of many survivors..
Justice has to be done.
Anne..
Annie MY heart goes out to you as well everyone on this site give yourselves a big pat on the back for speeking out against the group leaders and having the courage to say what you see.we are almost there with this one.Annie is absolutly correct in what she is saying,it is illigal what they are doing to us.If we do not get what we want the next step WILLbe the court of HUMAN RITES IN STRASBOURG.They have had enough of our money [GROUP LEADERS] WE will ask what has always belonged to us in the first place.300,000 plus 64,000 aggrated dammages and for putting us through this AGAIN.ANNIE i love your post you are so very brave I WE cannot thank you enough…..reguards dorris
I understand where your coming from there David. To be honest with you, there will be no need for any hunger strike now.
In regards to the hunger strike, this was mentioned in support of Michael O’ brien who said he would go on hunger strike if he had to some weeks back, and it’s hard not to get cought up in that (especially for me personally as I beleive anyone who is passionate enough to go to such length on behalf of any survivor has my full backing )..
However, theres is absolutely no need now. And I am confident that justice will be done.
Regards
Anne.
Dear Dorris,
Thankyou for your warm words and understanding.
You are right in saying it is illegal to do what they, have/are doing. You are absolutely correct in saying that this could be took to The Courts Of Human Rights also.
There seems to be alot of people confused out there in regards to Solicitor’s/Barrister’s E.C.T getting mixed up with negative information in regards to further compensation from The Redress Board.
However, here in England the advice we have been given is to the contrary, you see this compensation would not be coming from the Redress Board but direct contributions from The Religious, or so it should be. And has been recorded/stated on many occassions.
What I have been advised is that if the Government were to go ahead and dispose of any monies without any fair agreeement, or to keep it, then that itself is illegal. Also, if any Group leader/Rep were to make those choices either on behalf everyone else, or me personally, then you have every right to bring a law suit against that Organisation/Rep E.C.T…very sad to come to that, but I’m afraid for me personally, I woud not hesitate, and shall do so. No group/Leader has made contact with me to ask what I am in need of, what help I need but this is old ground I’m going over and very transparent for many to see, so I will leave that for now. I’m just very blessed right now to have a friend of the family who’s son is a Barrister and has followed what has been going on for some time, it is also personal for him and he’s collegues because of what I, we, have been through.
The Redress Board have the former Resident’s of Industrial schools details from The Redress made so any monies should be paid direct to all survivors from The Religious Orders/Government going of that information.
Regards,
Anne
Dorris and Anne, You are so right The real survivors of Child Prisons have been pushed aside ,Bullied ,and threatened into silence with heavy fines and IMPRISONMENT if we dare to speak out , I had to turn to the Salvation Army to trace members of my family because NONE of the so called services for survivors were INTERESTED in helping us at all, NO help in any way was forthcoming .I was also in contact with an American Agency tracing service who were NOT connected to Ireland nor survivors in any way , I have had Nothing nor had any help nor USED any of those so called services who get large funding in OUR NAME , My Name should NOT be on any of their Lists ,I know of others who prefer NOT to have any contact whatsoever with any so called services they know it is all a CON for more funding. The Irish Government should have nothing at all to do with OUR COMPENSATION nor should any so called Group Leaders like Buckley and the others thay only look after themselves and their close friends which can only be few. We know of older survivor who was literally bullied out of Ireland , We must be paid what is rightfully ours to each Survivor or if deceased to our families , NO ONE has any LEGAL right to take it upon themselves to to hold secret meetings with the government on what to do with survivors compensation, THAT IS ILLEGAL< Well done all of you on this site .Each so called Group leader should publish on this site all the names of survivors that they claim funding for .Their Books should be made open as to how much financial funding they have received so far , What they spent ,On What,
RIGHT OF PLACE ARE HOLDING A MEETING IN CORK
TOMORROW EVENING IN THE METREPOLE HOTEL AT
7-30 PM thanking billy collins for this news.
well billy this group have just proven they have no idea of what they are doing its a fecken dissgrace over and over again.
what have they done wrong here?
THE VERY SAME TREASON TO SURVIVORS AND THEIR PAIN THEY HAVE TOTALLY IGNORED THE SURVIVORS RIGHTS ONCE MORE TO THEIR SHAME.
NO PUBLICITY NO ADVERTISING IN THE MEDIA, BY THE WAY THE MEDIA ARE NEVER INVITED.
SO HOW THE HELL CAN SURVIVORS AND THE WORLD KNOW OF THIS MOST STUPID MEETING.
CLOSE THESE GROUPS DOWN NOW THEY HAVE COST FAR TOO MUCH MONEY FOR NOTHING THEIR WALLETS ARE JUST GETTING BIGGER WITH SELF GREED.
NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT THESE MEETINGS TO HOLD SUCH A MEETING THE MEDIA SHOULD BROADCAST IT ON RADIO AND TV.
BUT IN CASE THEY ARE ASKED WHAT ARE THEY ACTUALLY DOING FOR SURVIVORS THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING AT ALL ONLY SUPPORTED THEIR OWN CAREERS.
WHAT A LOAD OF SHEER HORSE SHIT IT STINKS.
survivors have suffered in those schools they are the people of ireland the families of ireland something these groups never think of is the welfare of the poorest of the poor i am so sick of greedy people missing the point as paddy doyle said its NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY its about the welfare of every single survivor.
the point these groups never mentioned is the welfare and care of these poor people who are suffering now due to the ABUSE AND NEGLECT at the hands of this government who threw is unto the filthy garbage boxes of the religious systems. now the welfare has been gillatined slashed to pieces and no safety net for the welfare of all survivors 15000 only. dental funds slashed two fillings and a checkup is all you are intitled to a year.
hey where were the dentests in the schools most survivors teeth are rotten due to the early days of this abuse.
sorry but these groups are just not doing a thing about this.
THE STATE IS RESPOSIBLE FOR THE HEALTH OF SURVIVORS AND NOW THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN.
FINNA FAIL OUT OUT OUT NOW GROUPS OUT NOW.
WE WANT OUR HUMAN RIGHTS NOW.
these groups should be sending out the letters of what they have achieved for survivors health and welfare but they have
NOT ACHIEVED ANYTHING FOR SURVIVORS TO DATE SO HOW CAN THEY?
the costs of running these groups are the only letters we got and they never added up. that money they got paid for doing nothing could have paid for the health and welfare of many survivors. now there are more who want the jobs for the money.
please vote to close all groups now.
Yes another meeting in cork on the 17th and I didn’t out about it on the 20th. Right of place have my name and address yet they didn’t inform me of this meeting. I will be on the phone to them tomorrow wanting an answer as to why I wasn’t informed. Yes, disband the groups. they are doing nothing for the majority of survivors.
Well Anne I think your dead right I wont need to go on any hunger strike..I’m under weight as it is…this will be sorted by legal people and we will win and get justice…I agree all groups should be closed down..we don’t want or need them..
Dear Rose, Granny, Dorris, Pat, Robert…..
There will be investigations into most if not all funded Groups E.C.T Your absolutely correct in saying they should be shut down with immediate affect.
They haven’t served their purpose and cannot prove otherwise. This is why I have been informed Legally that any survivor has a right to challenge any Group/Organisations and if necessary Sue them.
The Government needs to take appropriate action and fast. There are too many survivors who are in dire need of financial assistance and this is absolutely shamefull that they are letting this happen to their own people.
I am quite happy today as I have received a positive letter from a very well known(worldwide Irish singer..) one of the best in the world.(His band ) I’m sure we will be heard as he is absolutely disgusted with what is going..I shall explain more this week.
Kind regards, take care all..
Anne
hello patrick Iam delighted that you have decided to stay with us, have a nice plate of chips ,
As always along with the best wishes for a great day from Amsterdam:
Anyone of you heard about this already?
If not, thought you might be interested in as well.
source:http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/NewsManager/EMB_NewsManagerView.asp?ID=5683
Child abuse in institutions:
PACE’s Social Committee to hold a hearing
Strasbourg, 21.06.2010 – Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly’s (PACE) Committee on Social Affairs is to hold tomorrow, 22 June, in Strasbourg, a Hearing on “Child abuse in institutions: ensuring full protection of the victims”, in the framework of the preparation of a report on the subject by Marlene Rupprecht (Germany, SOC).
The hearing, which is open to the press, will take place from 8.30 a.m. to 10 a.m. in the Palais de l’Europe (Room 1).
Participants include
Massimo Introvigne, Sociologist (Vatican City) ;
Marian Shanley, Member of the Commision to Inquire into Child Abuse (Ireland);
Christine Bergmann, Special Representative on Cases of Child Abuse (Germany) and
Helgard Van Hüllen, Member of the Executive Board of Victim Support Europe (Germany).
According to the motion for a resolution, considering accounts of physical and sexual child abuse occurring within residential facilities, boarding schools, churches and other institutional settings, it is regrettable regret that “the needs of the victims of this abuse have often been disregarded” both in the past and in the present. European Governments should ensure that “any case of child abuse is subject to their criminal law system, and that perpetrators are prosecuted and all victims (and also whistleblowers) receive the same protection regardless of the institutional setting in which the crime was committed”.
Doc. 12238
4 May 2010
Child abuse in institutions: ensure full protection of the victims
Motion for a Resolution
presented by Mr Omtzigt and others
This motion has not been discussed in the Assembly and commits only the members who have signed it
for motion
see
http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/WorkingDocs/Doc10/eDOC12238.htm
(tongue in cheeck from Dutchville, so please donot shoot before I could contact them!)
Victim Support Europe
http://www.victimsupporteurope.eu/about/member-organisations/
Irish Tourist Assistance Service
http://www.itas.ie
as well as
Crime Victims Helpline
Associate member
http://www.crimevictimshelpline.ie
Commission for the Support of Victims of Crime
Associate member
http://www.justice.ie
So, other than the reminder cursing is a sin, what could possibly be your problem? ;-)
THANK GOD FOR YOUR WEB SITE PADDY,AT LAST SURVIVERS ARE STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES.LET
EVERYONE OF US SHOW OUR DISCUST WITH ALL GROUPS AND REPS BY SHOUTING FROM THE HIGHEST MOUNTAIN OUR VIEWS AND WHAT WE THINK OF THESE PARASITES,
WE CAN NOT ALLOW THEM TO ROB US OF OUR RIGHTS
TO FEATHER THEIR NESTS AND SWINDLE US ANY MORE. WHERE ARE THE GOVERNMENT!HOW BLIND CAN THEY BE,WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PROMISES THEY MADE
THAT WE WOULD NEVER AGAIN BE ABUSED,(WHEN WE WERE YOUNG WE COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO US)NOW IT HURTS A LOT MORE
KNOWING THAT OUR OWN ARE ABUSING US NOW.
ALL OF THE GROUPS SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN AND THE LEADERS BE MADE ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERY CENT THEY GOT.MOST OF US ARE OLD NOW WE WENT THROUGH ENOUGH,LETS ALL STAND TOGETHER AND
END THIS DEBACLE NOW.ABUSED LET YOUR VOICE BE
HEARD NON BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!
CORRECT ROBERT. I ATTENDED THAT SAID MEETING LAST FRIDAY, AND I TELL YOU IT WAS A BLOODY DISGRACE. WE WERE DICTATED TO BY SOME BARRISTER, PUT THERE BY THE HSE TO TELL US WHAT TO DO. OUR DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRO, CHRISTY HEAPHY MADE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS TO SPEAK, BUT WAS SHOUTED DOWN BY THE SO CALLED COMMITTEE SITTING ON THE TOP TABLE, UNDER THE COMMAND OF MR BARRYS LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE, MOUTHPIECE TREANOR.
HE WAS NOT ELECTED TO SPEAK ON OUR BEHALF. THERE WAS NO SIGN OF MR BARRY WHO SEEMS TO BE HIDING SOMEWHERE FOR THE PAST WHILE, IN CASE SOMEONE ASKS HIM A QUESTION, ON WHERE HE SQUANDERED ALL THE MONITORY FUNDING HE RECEIVED.
ITS TIME TO DISBAND THE WHOLE BLOODY LOT OF THEM, AND NOW. THEY ARE OUT TO LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS, AND NO MORE. TIME NOW TO GET RID OF BARRY AND TREANOR.
It is time now to get rid of Buckley, Barry, Treanor, Waters,and Bent Lawyers ,They must be made to open their books + we should all know how much each recieved in wages + PERKS from the Government and The Religious ,very clever >/Divide and Rule applied in this case. Every Survivors Name that they have on their books must be open for all to see.I am Inrerested to know WHAT is the strange story about Avoca House I smell a Huge rat there ,??? what happened to the Large funding the Waters recieved for Avoca House . DID MRS WATERS +Mr Waters, Is he a Survivors of Detention as a young baby or child into a Industrial child Prison ?? BUY IT WITH OUR MONEY??????was it 3 million euro’s ????or less.I was told years ago that the Avoca House was owned by MR QUINN >is that true we are not told anything and have every right to know ,There has been Coruption at every corner while the REAL survivors have been BULLIED into silence We want our rightful Compansation NOW into Our own accounts and Not into some Government Lawyers Account. if anyone of those self appointed so called group leaders interfear ,or have been having secret meetings with the Government or Religious orders about our compansation then THEY ARE COMMITING A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. also no doubt they claim expenses for these meetings . TO BULLIES OUT THERE IT IS TIME TO STOP BULLYING OLDER SURVIVORS WHO WERE SENTENCED TO DETENTION by the CRINIMAL COURT AS BABIES AND YOUNG CHILDREN < < WE ARE THE REAL SURVIVORS.
Hi Paddy, Just read your book, You are a real Survivor , it is amazing and a miracle That you survived at all, My heart goes out to you ‘ After all you have suffered and been through Here you are helping other survivors . Thank you Paddy . You really are an Angel.
Thank you for your very kind comments, I appreciate them. Paddy.
hi every one what about writing to the european union brussells ? see how legal this deal they are trying to do is i am writing to them or send them a email ? i will post their address and email tomorrow we have rights after all ! and its time we all had a voice if we all email or write then there will be power in numbers ,even get our children to write explaing that what they are doing is taking what the church put in the pot for us they want control of i for one have been silenced enough and will have my say ! did anyone hear live line with christine buckley and o,brian , as a lady said on the show she does not speak for us ! enough of them buggars ! these people do not know us so how can they know what we think want or need ? an end to it all simple pay out and let us the survivors use what is left of our lives and money on what we need with out going cap in hand to a begging bowl its all about control! well they dont control me anymore ,no other country in the world has done this to its survivors so wake up ireland and do the right thing by us !!
ps perhaps we should also mention that we all have crimial records tha need exponging by ireland !
I WOULD CONCUR WITH BERNADETTE,SHE IS RIGHT
OUR ONLY HOPE IS TO GET SOMEONE WHO WILL
REPESENT US IN THE EUROPEN COURT OF JUSTICE,FORGET ALL OUR SO CALLED REPS MOST OF
THEM ARE PARISITES,(NOT ALL OF THEM)IM TALKING ABOUT BUCKLEY BARRY TRENAIR AND OTHERS.IS THERE ANY BARRISTER OR SOLICITOR WHO WOULD REPESENT US AFTER ALL THEY MADE A LOT OF MONEY OUT OF US.REMEMBER BIFFO IS PUTTING HIS PROPOSAL TO THE DAIL WHEN THE SITS AFTER THEIR SUMMER BREAK, ONCE THAT IS DONE WE CAN FORGET ABOUT EVER GETTING JUSTICE.FOR GODS SAKE SURVIVERS WAKE UP DONT
JUST SIT THER AND DO NOTHING, LET OUR VOICES
BE HEARD.LOBBY YOUR TDS SPEAK OUT LET THEM KNOW OUR HURT AND FEELINGS.ONLY FOR THIS WEBSITE WE WOULD KNOW NOTHING (THAT SHOULD TELL YOU THE KIND OF REPS WE HAVE) THEY ARE ABUSING US TO HOLD ON TO THEIR COSY JOBS
AND PERKS, GIVE A GUESS WHO WILL BE IN CHARGE OF THE TRUST FUND!!!MAY THEY ALL ROT IN HELL!!!!!
WHAT EACH OF US SURVIVORS NEED TO DO, AND NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW IS TO, WRITE PERSONALLY TO WHAT EVER GROUP SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENTS YOU, OR WHAT EVER GROUP YOU SIGNED UP WITH, AND PERSONALLY TELL THEM, ( DONT ASK THEM ) TELL THEM, THAT YOU WISH TO HAVE YOUR NAME, AND ALL PERSONAL DETAILS THEY HAVE ON THEIR DATA BASE REMOVED AT ONCE, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THEY GIVE TO THE HSE WHEN THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THE FUNDS TO RUN THEIR GROUPS.
WITHOUT YOUR NAME, AND PERSONAL DETAILS, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THEIR FUNDS AND SUPPORT FROM THE HSE. I URGE EVERYONE TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW.
OUR NAMES ARE BEING USED BY THESE PARASITES TO OBTAIN FUNDING FOR THEIR ILL GAINED NEEDS, AND ITS ABOUT TIME IT STOPPED. WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION, THESE SWINDLERS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SURVIVE, AND ITS THE BEST WAY OF CUTTING OFF THEIR CASH FLOW.
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ONLY THING THAT MONEY THEY ARE RECEIVING IS BEING USED FOR IS TO FUND THESE GREEDY PARASITES, AND THE LOVELY LIFESTYLES THEY LEAD.
ASK YOURSELVES, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE FOR YOU? ARE THEY MEETING YOUR NEEDS? HAVE THEY HELPED YOU IN ANY WAY WHAT SO EVER?
I’M SURE THE MAJORITY OF SURVIVORS WILL FIND THAT ( NO ) WILL BE THE ANSWER TO ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS. \
YOU THE SURVIVOR, CAN PUT A STOP ( NOW ) TO ALL OF THIS, BY WRITING PERSONALLY, NOW TO THESE PARASITES WHO ( SUPPOSEDLY ) REPRESENT YOU, AND ( DEMAND ) TO HAVE YOUR DETAILS REMOVED FROM THEIR DATA BASE, AND ALSO A SIGNED LETTER TO THE EFFECT THAT IS HAS BEEN DONE, SO YOU WILL HAVE A COMEBACK IN THE FUTURE, IN CASE THEY CONTINUE TO USE YOUR DETAILS FOR FUTURE FUNDING.
I MYSELF PERSONALLY, WILL BE DOING THIS RIGHT AWAY TODAY, TO THE SO CALLED ( RIGHT OF PLACE OFFICES ).
TIME TO ACT, NOW, AND STAND UP FOR OURSELVES, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
what do we want , well i have sisters and brothers that i have only met when i go to see them, what i want is to be able to invite them have enough space for them to sleep , and get to know them better . as it is i suppose that many other survivers to live in bed sitters, a lonely life.