Truth needed on vaccine trials

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Friday August 27 2010

THE Government must disclose all that is known about controversial vaccine trials carried out on children in the care of the State in past decades.

Our initial reports centred on Mari Steed, now aged 50, and three others who are to take legal action in the US courts against a multinational pharmaceutical company, on whose behalf the trials were conducted.

Ms Steed was subjected to the trial in the Sacred Heart Convent in Bessborough, Co Cork, when she was between nine and 18 months old, without her mother’s consent.

There were a number of such trials. The first involved 58 children in five children’s homes and the object was to discover what might happen if four vaccines, diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus and polio, were combined in one overall 4-in-1 shot.

Another known trial involved 35 children who were administered the intra-nasal rubella vaccine.

A third involved 53 children in five institutions. It compared commercially available batches of the 3-in-1 vaccine with a modified vaccine prepared for the trial.

The subjects of these trials are understandably upset to discover that they were effectively used as guinea pigs when they were little more than babies, but at least they know the nature of the vaccines administered to them and the clear scientific purpose of what were, effectively, experiments.

Today we report that records of previously unknown vaccine trials were discovered years ago by the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse and that there have been confidential “discussions” about them for several years now, but mystery surrounds the nature of those trials.

A number of questions need to be answered by the relevant government agencies, not least of which are what was the nature of all the trials, how many children in state care were subjected to them and what consent was sought?

Given the level of official reticence to date, an independent public inquiry may be needed to get to the truth.

Irish Independent
27th August 2010

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16 comments on “Truth needed on vaccine trials

  1. i agree with the spirit of your message Culchiewoman!

  2. Ireland can never be free in peace until child abuse crimes have been healed in full (recovery).

  3. there has long been a tradition of using prisoners for drug trials. the state has the records and is refusing to come clean about what went on for fear of the backlash against the usual same old political parties who are always in power. they know who they are and they are guilty of child abuse.

  4. Robert:

    i agree 100% with what you said about records. records are evidence! lawyers in Ireland should be standing up for justice (real justice) but child abuse victims not their bag?

  5. as for independent public inquiry question if an ex judge is appointed by the government (of the day) to preside over an inquiry the public need to know how exactly that ex judge is independent? independent of who? independent of what? who or what will be paying the ex judge to preside over the independent public inquiry? would the judge happen to be a supporter of the political part in power presently?

  6. @Martha, I agree with you 100%. The Irish people need to stand up and be counted as culpable in all of this. This same society/sheeple sent its mothers, daughters, grannies, aunties, uncles, sons, etc. to these gulags. They listened and nodded like bobbleheads as ‘good’ priests and nuns ‘recommended’ that little Paddy or little Mary would better off in their care.

    It’s too convenient to blame just State and Church, but society itself must hold up a mirror and be open to and support the idea of restorative justice. I recognize that economic times are tough and no one wants to dig any extra penny out of their over-taxed pockets to fund such justice.

    The answer is clear: pressure the State to go after the real criminals who gladly stuffed their own pockets with ‘donations’, stipends and (in the case of the Magdalene laundries), public money for slave labour performed. Open up those accounts ledgers and let’s see what you made.

  7. how can any country trust an irish government that only pays 50% of its crime toward the children they allowed to be abused by perverts. the government were 100% responsible as so was the demon religious orders for their actions 100%.
    no country should nor would trust any such government that refuses to listen and serve its people properly on these matters.
    there is a great darkness hanging over ireland because of the continuous neglect of its children we are all fathers and mothers around the world remember that mr cowen its hard to forgive and listen to the deceit you and your party have committed toward survivors of your abuse and neglect.
    the word sorry has become an insult/curse on the tongues of irish politics. and the fathers and mothers all around the world see and hear it,
    the way this whole affair has been handled is to your shame.
    pay what you owe to the families you have destroyed and lets have the vaccine tests in the open as this will be the failure of your own government if you do not comply.
    WE ARE ENTITLED TO OUR HUMAN RIGHTS NOW OR THIS COUNTRY IS THE SHAME OF A DEMOCRATIC EUROPE BY CLAIMING TO BE DEMOCRATIC YET IT SO FAR HAS DICTATED THROUGH 100% FAULT OF YOUR OWN.

  8. It is difficult to know which attitude to take in IRELAND, this now ‘NAZI-LIKE’ CHURCH-STATE GULAG.

    To mock and deride would seem petty !

    Gentle approach, with measured arguments has yielded no results.

    To scream and shout, stamp your feet and shake your fists all fall on deaf ears and dead hearts.

    Is this why revolutions are so effective? because they have none of the above language and they come from the people and the gut?

    But of course, here we are immune to revolutionaries – or are they even ANY revolutionaries?

    Our elected Government will PAY 210 million euro into Anglo-Irish EACH WEEK for the rest of the year.

    ……ACCORDING TO the Banker magazine, Anglo Irish Bank booked the BIGGEST losses of any financial institution IN THE WHOLE WORLD last year. With yesterday’s news of more massive multibillion-euro losses for the first half of 2010, it is likely to collect that dubious accolade for the second consecutive year.

    If a behemoth bank in the world’s largest economy – a Citibank or a Bank of America– had topped this list, it would be one thing. That a small bank in a small economy will top it for two successive years is ALMOST BEYOND BELIEF…… (Irish Time 1.9.2010)

    500 millions in compensation to the victims of Abuse represent a mere 2 weeks of these bank notes our Politicians are THROWING AWAY.

    It is very late to do ‘THE RIGHT THING’. Light-years OVERDUE. The opportunities have come daily now for the last 500 days, and been WASTED, adding MORE PAIN each time.

    BUT JUSTICE WAITS FOREVER.

    Will we have to pay the price for our crimes? Will we / or others / have to suffer the consequences? Well we ARE already. All around us, our society is falling apart….!!!!

    BUT IT IS NOT TOO LATE:

    Mrs. McALEESE.

    Mr. COWEN.

    ALL ELECTED and NON-ELECTED POLITICIANS.

    SENATORS.

    DO IT NOW. PAY JUST, FAIR, OUTRIGHT AND UNCONDITIONAL COMPENSATION TO THE VICTIMS. 500 MILLIONS. THIS WILL DO MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, TO RESTORE CREDIBILITY AND CONFIDENCE IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD.

    AND HOPEFULLY THE IRISH PEOPLE TOO.

    Raymond

  9. government guilty 100%
    religious guilty 100%

    costs so far from both only 50% each
    where is the other 50% from both

    so only 50% was paid to each person who suffered the industrial schools

    0% magdelane laundries so far

  10. Detained in a prison as a baby- what kind of judges would rubberstamp such crimes? Oh yes, forgot about the money and of course disposable children are handy to use in drugs trials and make a profit from. SICKENING.!!!!!!

  11. ireland is an OPEN PRISON of the Vatican

  12. Whilst I very much sympathise with those who were forced to spend their childhoods in the Irish Catholic Industrial Schools = torture chambers for children, I fail to understand why the Irish people, per se, do not acknowledge the fact that they too were also prisoners of the Roman Catholic Church, aka The Vatican, in their own country.

    Without exception, ALL Irish families who subscribed to, and partcipated in, Roman Catholic ideology were, in fact, willing slaves of the Catholic Church and its pernicious misogynistic dogma.

    Less Irish people (parents) today are not so enthralled by Rome, but the fact is, it was the NORM (normal) for the vast majority of Irish parents to be in the thrall of Roman Catholic ideology until fairly recently.

  13. no records on vaccine you bet all medical records were destroyed.

    if there are no records, that in itself is guilt.

    the records of us being in these prisons are there for only one reason
    THAT THEY MAY BE USED AGAINST YOU

    BUT ANY THING THE GOVERNMENT DID TO US HAS BEEN HID OR DESTROYED.

    NO RECORDS = GUILT
    how can there only be records for one side and not the other very very very suspicious indeed.

  14. Can someone define what would suffice to be an “independent public inquiry”

    MM

  15. hi paddy just looking back at my records it says it is hereby orderd that the said child shall be sent to the certifled industrial school at st colmans cobh being a school conducted in sccordance with the doctrines of the catholic church the managers whereof are willing to receive her to be DETAINED was i a prisoner at eight months and thrown into a hell hole im going to look into the doctrines of the catholic church and get back to you okey

  16. When a person is sentenced as a criminal to detention in Prison and is later found to be innocent that person then has a right to sue for compansation for the lenght of time they were detained.>Reformatory is an Instution to which young offenders are sent as an alternative to an Adult PRISON A prison for young offenders .A place of Punishment ,CORRECTION for the offender for the crimes they have committed .The irish State which ever Government was in Power at the time what can only be discribed as ethnic cleansing of Thousands of Irish babies and young children from their roots,families ,Siblings,Country,who were all Sentenced in a criminal Court as Offenders>to be detained in reformatory’s for all of the rest of our Childhoods .cut off as criminals Locked Up from Society,and Families. Roots, Siblings.behind Bars and gray walls in Brutal Oppressive Regime’s The State believed we children deserved Punishment and had NO rights I am talking here about BABIES and Young Children Brutalized, Flogged, Starved,and denied any freedoms not even allowed to use or know our own names ,The Religious orders of which I believe there are about 24 have decided to pay their VICTIMS Compansation for our terrible suffering they inflicited on us WHEN ALONG COMES THE STATE and holds SECRET Meetings as to WHAT THEY >WILL< ,DO WITH THE victims compansation THEY DECIDED AMONGST THEMSELVES TO keep it In THEIR own TRUST FUND run by them the dept of Education is behind this run by MARY COUGHLAN who wouldn't want to leave her dog in a Reformatory for a day and has NO idea of the damage caused to Irelands Children which effects all Victims for the rest of our lives and our children are effected by what we went through,We Victims DON'T want the Staruary Trust Fund, WE WANT OUR RIGHTFUL COMPANSATION Paid to each of us into our own Accounts.WE VICTIMS ARE BEING CONED AND USED AGAIN.THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN.A LAWYER AT THE EUROPEAN COURT SAID THE DEPT OF EDUCATION IN IRELAND WILL BE ACTING ILLEGALLY IF THEY INSIST ON KEEPING VICTIMS COMPANSATION IN THEIR OWN CHOSEN TRUST FUND .IT MUST BE PAID TO THE VICTIMS ,WHO WANT TO MOVE ON WITH OUR LIVES AND NOT BE HELD BACK BY HAVING TO BEG FOR HELP OUT OF THE STATUARY TRUST. NO NO NO TO TRUST FUND

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