Public Consultation
Proposed Statutory Fund to support the needs of Survivors of Residential Institutional Child Abuse.
The Government has announced its proposal to use €110m of the offers of contributions from religious Congregations to establish and operate a Statutory Fund to support the needs of survivors of residential institutional child abuse and for other education and welfare purposes.
The Statutory Fund is being proposed to support the continuing education, health and welfare needs faced by survivors. The Fund will not provide cash compensation for survivors and will be separate and distinct from the compensation scheme operated by the independent Residential Institutions Redress Board, which provides fair and reasonable awards to victims of institutional childhood abuse.
As part of the consultation process, the Department of Education and Skills is meeting with groups representing survivors of institutional child abuse and the religious Congregations. However, many survivors are not affiliated to groups and may wish to contribute independently to the process. As the Department wishes to consult as widely as possible it invites the views of all interested parties.
Submissions should identify, as far as possible, the specific needs facing survivors and suggest how the Fund should operate to assist in meeting these needs.
Written submissions can be emailed to StatutoryFund@education.gov.ie or posted to Statutory Fund Consultation, Department of Education and Skills, Block 2, Marlborough Street, Dublin 1.
A Freefone Service is available to receive comments from Monday to Friday between 10am and 1pm by phoning 1800 938 140 (Republic of Ireland) or 0800 0148912 (NI & UK) (this service is being operated by Barnardos on behalf of the Department of Education and Skills).
The closing date for the receipt of submissions is Friday 27th August, 2010.
Please note that all comments, observations and submissions will be subject to the Freedom of Information Acts 1997-2003. Consequently when submitting material, a person should identify any information which they do not wish to have released together with an accompanying explanation.
Kathleen,no human being could spend their childhood the shocking way we as babies and young children were forced into by the Irish State they are RESPONSIBLE for the DAMAGE caused to us they imprisoned us on trumped up charges in the CRIMINAL COURT totally depriving us of our liberties mostly on charges of being destitute which was in numerous cases UNTRUE,many families had lost their fathers fighting in WW1 and WW2 the widows and children were HATED by the IRISH STATE for being in the British Army ,Those MEN had NO choice in many cases it was the only job they could get so they could feed and look after their families,my parents separated my mother left Ireland my Daddy was in the Army we his children were forced from his care he applied to the court to get us back home THE STATE REFUSED HIS REQUEST >ILLEGALLY<EVEN THOUGH HE HAD HIS OWN HOUSE,as for those so called funded services for survivors they were set up by the State to wash their own dirty hands of any RESPONSIBILITY KNOWING WE ARE ALL DAMAGED INCLUDING THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES GROUP LEADERS LIKE MRS BUCKLEY who went on to a huge power trip,forgetting there are Damaged survivors who were also in goldenbridge at the same time as her many have died or live ABROAD not in IRELAND,so WHY is she so keen on her education statuary fund ,TRUST?so she can get more funding no other reason that I can see,did the so called self appointed group leaders go TO THE HIGH COURT????And were properly compensated? We must be COMPENSATED into our own bank accounts ,as though all of us had gone to the high court ,we were NOT given any advice NOR ANY LEGAL ADVICE,BUT HERDED INTO THE RB TO BE INSULTED AND FRIGHTENED AND TRAUMATISED ,I don't and have not used or even being offered any help whatsoever from any of them ,they didn’t want to know when I contacted them years ago to seek help in tracing my siblings I went to the SALVATION ARMY,AS FOR EDUCATION they should have educated us when we were children,its to late now WE DON’T NEED IT NOW, i got FREE computer lessons in the library, I also went on a course FREE years ago ,they are just trying it on to CON us again ,we must not stand for it and not be BULLIED any more.
To Granny1.
You have brought memories back and tears to my eyes. (and I am expecting friends for dinner), this is a very brief reply, I felt the need to answer you. The government and Group Leaders were no better than Judas. Feeding information to us they were paid to deliver. How interesting the money paid out by the Redress Board was named an “Award” not compensation. The horse has now bolted. The Religious and Vatican have now admitted GUILT. I will continue tomorrow. Please let me have your name. Then I respect Granny1. I dare say you are no 1. Granny to your Grandchildren.
Kathleen. (O’Malley).
Thanks Kay for your help, like other’s here, I sometimes miss out on exactly where certain comment’s are, and under what link. Still learning me way round this pc gadget! lol.
Keep well
Jimmy.
Jimmy, there is a search box on the top right hand corner of the front page of this website. To find a comment, type in words relevant to what you want and you will get a list of comments. If I can be of help, please let me know. Paddy.
Hi Jimmy, Glad to be of help, Paddy has also helped me on this too, I use very high magnification (due to sight issues) so I have to slide backward and forward so missed the search box, but will use it in future!
I simply went to my posts received, and used google search, we are all still learning Jimmy, but as oldies aren’t we doing well ?!!!
Best Regards Kay
“The older the fiddle the sweeter the tune Kay”. Paddy.
Brilliant Paddy, you’ve made my day, having a good old giggle to myself…. Kay
What the Hell are they on about?Dept of Education and skills ??whats Barnardos got to do with Survivors of Irish Industrial Schools??Its strange but a couple of months ago I looked up the Jarvis centre and on the site it said >Irish Council of Imam’s <at the Jarvis centre ,I tried to find it again it looks like it's been taken off ,I hope survivors rightful compansation has not been sidelined to funding help or education parhaps english lessons ?I hope not.someone should look into where the funding is and has gone,To my Knowledge the REAL SURVIVORS have not availed of any so called Services,and 99% have not used any services from any of those so called groups,many Real survivors have Died,many are SICK, many are living abroad ,Austraila, Canada, France,Germany< MARY COUGHLAN ITS TO LATE <THE Government should have educated us when we were children.They keep on about Education and skills just to Insult and cause us survivors more Trauma.We survivors worked SLAVE LABOUR throughout our childhoods and made the Church and Government very Rich indeed .This statuary TRUST fund the government wants IS A CON.They are robbing the VICTIMS.
DISBAND ALL GROUPS ,AND PAY THE VICTIMS COMPENSATION.
Hi Tommy,
The Petition to get the TRust Fund Disolves is still live! You can find it @
http://bit.ly/9hjMlC
I am seeking adviceas to whether or not to get this extended (if the petition site will allow) as it runs out at the end of the year?
Don’t forget when you sign it will sent you a link that you have to “CLICK” to confirm your vote.
PS type you email address carefully
Hi to all
Please use link below to vote for Paddy Doyle to represent “Survivors”
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/mandate-for-paddy-doyle-to-represent-survivors/
Nominations have also started for Kathleen O’Malley to act alongside Paddy, both to act on our behalf to be “Our Voice” in all dealings with the Irish Government!
To vote Please visit ‘Shame of Ireland’ using the following link
http://shameofireland.co.uk/forum/topics/nominations-for-spokesperson?
Many Thanks Kay
Hi Kay, Gabrielle and friends.
Thank you for your support.
I have written on Shame of Ireland.
Hopefully the opportunity will arise for both Paddy and I to represent fellow suffers or Survivors.
My Agenda will be for one and all.
There will be no SECRET MEETINGS where DEALS are agreed.
Survivors will be informed before any decisions are agreed upon.
There are still many of us who still have “CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS” they must be expunged and should never have been. How stupid is the Irish Government to have allowed this to continue. It only goes to show how insignifient we have been to them. They have got that wrong also.
Injustice has gone on for far to long.
We need to know what the Government and Cori are hatching.
I will work for one and all, as my frustration and hurt is the same as yours.
I do not sit on the FENCE.
Kathleen O’Malley.
I am sure you and paddy wont forget that its supposed to be about all of us including us who live abroad.
A Xmas tree will be set up daily at the G.P.O Dublin over the festive period in rememberance of ALL victims of clerical abuse in Ireland.We are asking that u send a signed Xmas card please,which will be placed on this tree.
Address card to….
Victims of Clerical Abuse Ireland
27 Whiteacre Place
Ballymun
Dublin 9
Hi Pauline.
I agree. This is why I WOULD stipulated no SECRET MEETINGS OR DEALS.
You must also put forward your recomendations and suggestions.
Kathleen O’Malley.
We as babies and young children sentenced to detention into child Industrial Reformatorys WERE and still ARE the Government and Chatholic Church’s DIRTY LITTLE SECRET. the cowards that they are in order they could hide and wash their dirty hands of the guilt they allowed a whole industry to spring up and threw huge funding at them to set up what they though a great Idea SO CALLED SERVICES FOR VICTIMS run by self appointed Group leaders who had no experence of dealing with Trauma Victims ,who have been known to behave like the Bullies who abused us in the Reformatories the government knowing this would NEVER WORK. but kept giving large funding with so far NO account as to Just what all the funding was spent on or on whome or where on WHAT . while the real Victims still suffer in many countries ,alone, sick, many Homeless ,abroad and in Ireland ? so where are all the millions those groups recieved ?????OPEN ALL THEIR BOOKS SO WE the Victims know where all the millions have gone down to the last EURO .If the Government wanted us to dissappear when it came to the attention of the media years ago they should have allowed each Victim to be heard in a court of law with Judges from several different Religions and awarded each Victim proper Due compansation in the first place .that way we the VICTIM’s at least would have had some form of Justice. But the Silly way the Government misshandled the situation caused further Abuse to the Victims who HAVE NOT HAD JUSTICE.now those group self appointed are clammering with the Bad Government (Mrs M Coughlan ) to keep the SURVIVORS RIGHTFUL COMPANSATION in the Government Statuary Trust Fund held by government telling Victims we can have councelling whem most of us have had that FREE in the countries where we live . they say we the Victims can get an education course ??THEY should have educated us as children in the first place, No they just want to hold on to Survivors rightful compansation and use it for what they want for their benifit ONLY ,>so called Group Leaders involved with so called services for survivors want this Statuary Trust JUST so that they keep recieving Large Funding FOR THEMSELVES and their large offices ,I HEAR these people ATTENDED >SECRET MEETINGS WITH THE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP THIS STATUARY TRUST FUND HOW DARE THEY , FOR THEIR OWN BENIFIT AND BANK ACCOUNTS .THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED .THEY JUMPED INTO BED WITH With sweaty lawyers and politicians all of whome have behaved toward the Real Survivors like tyrants and BULLIES. NO TO THE STATUARY TRUST FUND? GIVE THE MONEY TO THE VICTIMS >NOT TO GROUPS TO HIDE BEHIND; I have never used nor belong to any Group nor had any help, Information, nor Advice of any kind from any of those Groups or so called services. My name should NOT be on anyones list to secure funding >Only Paddy Doyle and Kathleen O’Malley have permission to be my spokes person.HAPPY NEW YEAR
WHO THE HELL ARE THESE SO CALLED GROUP LEADERS ??????LETS US ALL SEE THE LIST OF SURVIVORS NAMES YOU SAY YOU HAVE ON YOUR LIST .OR WOULD YOU RATHER HIDE UP THE BACKSIDE OF THE GOVERNMENT.
IT Beggers belief how any government in a so called civilised country could allow babies and young children to be dragged into court and treated as criminals ,put before judges who carried out the sentence that the children be sentenced to detention for the rest of their childhood into Industrial Reformatories (which were prisons) and the government knowing full well how sadistic and harsh those places were yet continued to turn a blind eye to the children’s sadistic mistreatment and total neglect. words fail me.what sort of people were they its All Totally Insane
I refuse to hide my own name ;I am no longer afraid of the BULLY’s.
How can you tell if a politician is lying>>he open’s his or her mouth
After Reading this
“Either officials in the Department are members of secret societies such as the Knights of St. Columbanus and Opus Dei and have taken it upon themselves to protect the interests of these clerical orders at this point in time in this year of 2009 or, alternatively, the Minister is politically incompetent and incapable of managing the Department of Education and Science”
“I do not believe the Minister, Deputy O�Keeffe, is a bad man. I do not believe he is a Catholic right-wing secret obscurantist but many of the people working for him on a permanent salary – he will be gone in a couple of years – most certainly are or else they are incompetent, lazy and destructive.”
There will be no Justice for Survivors through the Irish Parliament or Judicial Process!!!!
http://bit.ly/gbnA8e
Minister O’Keefe (Batty) is the guy who said the State can’t do a thing about the Magdalene Laundries saga because these laundries were private institutions and the nuns were employers and the incarcerated women were employees. That from a Government that moved heaven and earth to help the banks (private institutions) indeed this Government has beggared this generation and the next generation all on account of the banks!
Support Paddy’s Petition Against the Statutory Fund @ http://bit.ly/gzXDt4
This week I gave a Talk on my Book to 160 people Men an Women. It still amazes me to learn how many people across the board who have little or not knowledge of what happened in Ireland. I spoke for an hour including taking questions. You could hear a pin drop. Needless to say I was emotionally drained, this is a job that needs doing. I get great satisfaction out of this. Infoming the ignorant or naieve about the Holy Religious in Ireland. I had every ones attention throughout. There was only one person in the audience a woman who showed support for the Religious. I wondered if perhaps she was a Nun. She doubted me when I said I had not had an Education as she put it “You sound well educated and well turned out” to which I replied this was down to my Mother and genes and the example she set, certainly not the Religious as they taught us Domestic Violence and distrust of every one by their example.
I have another two Talks this coming week. I also remind my audience of the Paedophile Christian Brothers and their horrific abuse on innocent young boys.
Kathleen O’Malley.
I was thinking when was it that any Irish Government looked after Irish people?????????FIRST,generation after Generation have been forced one way or another to emigrate by incompetent Government ,what sort of government allowed million + to die of starvation, What sort of mindless uncaring governments allow the children and babies of the country (which are the future)to be Sentenced by a criminal court to detention into Brutal reformatories , It just beggers belief. What sort of government holds secret meetings when the Religious Orders agree to pay their child victims proper compansation .Great and Just >Hold on, the government then decide among themselves at their secret meetings to keep that money and set up A Statuary Trust Fund held by the government and no doubt greedy government lawyers rubbing their hands , then government Administratiors for that trust All getting FAT RICH on it , while the victims are told they can have councelling and an education course .both of which can be got for FREE if wanted ,though most victims are over 60 and most live in different parts of the world and want JUSTICE and proper compansation paid to each victim ,Most victims Don’t want to be dictated to by So called Groups who use the victims names on their lists SO THEY SECURE FUNDING FOR THEMSELVES ONLY, thats all they care about they are already surported by the government This Statuary Trust Fund idea is the governments way of NOT passing the money on to the Victims, What sort of government does that???A NASTY GREEDY ONE.
Geraldine, the government could not care less end of story. They are all waiting for us all to die off. End of story. They will stand by,and support The Religious , No Matter What The Cost. Of that , you can be Assured.
I WAS VERY MOVED BY THE FILM “SUNSHINE AND ORANGES” BEING SHOWN AT THE MOMENT. IT RESONATES STRONGLY WITH ME, OF THE IRISH SITUATION OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE. ALTHOUGH THESE CHILDREN WERE DEPORTED FROM THE UK TO AUSTRALIA RIGHT UP IN THE 70′S, THE TRUE STORY CONTAINS ALL THE SHOCKING HORRORS WHICH WERE VISITED ON CHILDREN IN IRELAND: NOT THE SAME. BUT REALLY, JUST THE SAME. THE DIRECTOR MIGHT BE CONVINCED TO DO A FILM ABOUT OUR OWN RYAN REPORTS.
IF YOU’RE HURTING IN A VACUUM OF DESPAIR, THIS FILM MIGHT PROVIDE SOME GOOD AND WELCOME – IF TEMPORARY – RELIEF.
IT MIGHT EVEN GIVE OUR POLITICIANS SOME IDEAS. THE WORD “TRUSTEES” SNAPS OUT OF IT LIKE A WHIP!
Robert, has posted a copy of a letter he wrote to Enda Kenny .
Many lines in his letter are simply not accurate.
Robert, you may not have intentionally misrepresented what I say, but you did. It would be better if you could be more careful with your assertions.
I did not sign any petition that read ‘ I am against the proposed STF.’
If you read Paddy Doyle’s petition ….it is calling for the government – to reconsider the STF and negotiate. I gave my reasons for signing that petition-read them. I agreed with it.
I asked for the STF to be discussed and reconsidered and negotiations to take place.
Nor did I ever say I wanted the money to be dispersed, or divided equally. Get real that is not going to happen.
Who are you proposing should be ‘included’ in your notion of dividing it equally? What about all those survivors excluded from the Redress Scheme? What about Bethany, Laundry women, late applications etc etc. Are they in your mind included or excluded. That is an issue we need to discuss with the Minister., along with many more.
I have said this and will say it again, we need the STF to be reconsidered and the issues raised properly considered by the Minister and that negotiations take place.
The Education Dept officers know very well that these requests to negotiate have been made constantly and they constantly were ignored. They have received 250 submissions since Minister Coughlan asked for views. They got those views in abundance and thereafter refused all pleas for us to meet the Minister. That as far as I am concerned is where we are still at.
Please do not Robert, write, to Enda Kenny quoting me unless you have actually cleared it with me?
Thank you.
Sally
Don’t think there will be any further negotiations if the following Information (in part) I received 3 days ago From Ruairi Quinn T.D. is anything to go by
The views expressed in the responses together with the views from the Department’s engagement with groups and other interested parties have been considered and the Department has prepared a General Scheme of a Bill to provide for the Statutory Fund, with a view to the Minister bringing it to the attention of the Government. Once matters have been agreed and finalised, interested parties will then be advised as to what assistance may be provided by the Fund.
Kay
Sally
I apologise if I have misquoted you I was merely trying to show the strength of feeling about what the Previous Government started to bully through and what the Current Government will continue to push through unless they are made to take notice.
I copied and pasted what you said from the Petition, I admit I did omit some of the Wording but pointed out that I had ans pointed to where the full content could be read.
I will of course contact Enda Kenny and clarify the words of the petition you signed or Forward him a copy of the posting that you have posted above.
Please let me know what other inaccuracy’s I need to correct? I would prefer this done privately or at least where a copy of the offending email appears so as not to confuse others?
Once again I apologise if you feel that I deliberately misquoted you I merely wanted to let them know that people where not happy.
That comes as no surprise to me Kay. Another example of “take it or leave it”. Paddy
The worst Thing is Paddy, I think it will be a case of “leave it” especially so from the older people who dont want further education, counselling etc, the impression I get is that most people want to live out their days in some kind of financial security….I find the Governments attitude towards survivors to be cold and calculated…nothing new there then….Kay
Kay
I have spent a year trying to get talks . Its frustratinmg and it makes me feel like giving up.
Nothing seems to penetrate and if its forced through without consultation , they will have a further ten years of frustration and alienationn from the very people this STF is supposed to assist .
I give up
Robert that’s ok . As I said you did not do it intentionally. Looks like the damn thing is going to be legislated for after all.
I give up
And it looks like the Government’s attitude to survivors is just going to get colder. Things will just happen because that’s what the civil servants say. Might I remind people of what Ruairi Quinn, T.D. now the Minister with responsibility for Statutory Fund and The Redress Board had to say in the Dáil following the debate on the publication of the Report to Inquire into Child abuse. Read it here and pass it around. Pass it around and perhaps we should remind Minister Quinn of what he said – click here http://www.paddydoyle.com/?s=Ruairi+Quinn Best wishes. Paddy.
Rob, Has worked very hard on Shame of Ireland. Its a pity the letter sent to him was made so public. Such petulant behaviour is uncalled for.
Kathleen O’Malley. “Childhood Interrupted”.
Kathleen, it is the right of anyone to make a comment here, there is no other website that allows them to do so other than this one. To quote Rob. “Shame of Ireland was born out of your website, Paddy” Can you tell me where the “petulant behaviour” is coming from and I will deal with it as the person in charge of this website. Paddy.
Thank you Paddy for this site .
Sally,
Don’t give up?
This Government and the Civil Servants that advise them have proved so far they are unfit to administer a Trust Fund.
Why should Survivor have to go cap in hand to the Abusers when the criteria for applying for aid means that ANY request can be outside the remit of such a Fund;
A refusal in time of need would be a Crushing Experience?
Thank you for understanding the Intention behind my email!
You know sally many of us have things to say about this staturary fund. but in all the years this has been going on 11years no one has ever asked me a thing personaly. you seem to have plans for this so tell us about what your plans are . the industriel schools are slipping into oblivion. this is not fair.i know there is a lot of misery everywhere butits about victims who spent thier childhood locked up by decision of the state. when people were signing the petitions last may it was for these victims. i have had to leave my place for a few days because of bed bugs but there is no help for me from any of these state funded groups as usual i had to sort it out myself.and thats the way it always workes. so what difference can it make to me because i have never been able to count on them wiether you are funded or not . we are told your work is worthwhile but i wouldnt know . you want to be heard well so do we .
IT HAS TO BE NOW the european court of human rights. There is something sinister about the reason for the Statuary Trust Fund,It’s in no way for the benifit of the Survivors must be investigated . Mrs Buckley you have caused so much harm and stress to survivors always only thinking of yourself , your fame has become a drug to you .your story grew and grew until people in ireland believe it.
How many of The Irish centers in the UK have already applied or already recieved Fund’s from the statuary Trust Fund from their SECRET meetings with the government,ahead of it been set up ??even though as far as survivors know the Statuary Trust fund HAS NOT BEEN SET UP AND SHOULD BE SCRAPPED. I have never had any help from anyone nor recieve any information about anything ,I spent nearly all of my childhood in Industrial schools ,I am now in my 60′s, We must see The government’s list of all the children who were sentenced and Illegally detained as criminals and treated by the religious orders AS CRIMINALS throughout all of our childhoods there can’t be that many of us still alive ,those that are alive are in many different countries .all those so called Services for survivors must have lists of our names they claim to represent WHICH THEY DON’T. JUST SO THAT THEY CAN swell their own bank accounts ignoring and Bullying vulnerable survivors causing fear in Coohuts with the religious orders and government from the start so much so that survivors are bullied into silence exiled in different countries cut off totally ,THE GOVERNMENT went along with them and allowed them to continue robbing from the survivors with their secret meetings paradeing themselves as being respresentivites ,The only people they have represented is THEMSELVES. SHAME ON THEM .they have committed a criminal act and must not get away with it. Anyone know how many children were detained in each Industrial school ???from what years??to what year??we could then work it out ourselves with help from our own sorces ,
Those Survivors who were told to go to the redress bore>Oh sorry I mean BOARD. if they excepted the crumbs offered often a lot less than those sitting on the board got, having been put through Insults and humilitation were to traumatised and upset many already Sick and elderly to question the board ,many had to then fly from Dublin Airport to many parts of the world the small sums they may have recieved for their life long suffering was soon eaten up in Rents ,Mortgages, Tax’s food , Medical ,every day living ,like food , Bill’s , household Bills, so it is stupidity that the government in Ireland insists on handing over millions to those Groups based mostly in ireland ,It’s so they keep all the money in ireland , They say the Nuns ran 25 Industrial schools ,from 1940 , Sister x said there were 150 children there in her time many of those who were babies in the 50′s would have been included in that figure who didn’t leave until the 1960′s so say on average ,25 industrial schools had 150 children so 25 Industrial schools there would have been in total 3,750 children in those schools run by the Nun’s . then there is the Boy’s Industrial schools for Babies and young children.if we are talking figures compared to the Money that has been and will be handed over for the Compansation For those who were detained in those Sadistic Hell Holes , we believe each Victim should be given at least 800,000 Euros each.even that will NEVER make up for the Loss and suffering inflicited on Little children whose lives were distroyed. The Irish Holocaust of the Wholesale sacrifice of the lives of Irish Children.