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Public Consultation
Proposed Statutory Fund to support the needs of Survivors of Residential Institutional Child Abuse.
The Government has announced its proposal to use €110m of the offers of contributions from religious Congregations to establish and operate a Statutory Fund to support the needs of survivors of residential institutional child abuse and for other education and welfare purposes.
The Statutory Fund is being proposed to support the continuing education, health and welfare needs faced by survivors. The Fund will not provide cash compensation for survivors and will be separate and distinct from the compensation scheme operated by the independent Residential Institutions Redress Board, which provides fair and reasonable awards to victims of institutional childhood abuse.
As part of the consultation process, the Department of Education and Skills is meeting with groups representing survivors of institutional child abuse and the religious Congregations. However, many survivors are not affiliated to groups and may wish to contribute independently to the process. As the Department wishes to consult as widely as possible it invites the views of all interested parties.
Submissions should identify, as far as possible, the specific needs facing survivors and suggest how the Fund should operate to assist in meeting these needs.
Written submissions can be emailed to StatutoryFund@education.gov.ie or posted to Statutory Fund Consultation, Department of Education and Skills, Block 2, Marlborough Street, Dublin 1.
A Freefone Service is available to receive comments from Monday to Friday between 10am and 1pm by phoning 1800 938 140 (Republic of Ireland) or 0800 0148912 (NI & UK) (this service is being operated by Barnardos on behalf of the Department of Education and Skills).
The closing date for the receipt of submissions is Friday 27th August, 2010.
Please note that all comments, observations and submissions will be subject to the Freedom of Information Acts 1997-2003. Consequently when submitting material, a person should identify any information which they do not wish to have released together with an accompanying explanation.
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- Child Abuse Commission – Implementation Plan 28th July 2009
- Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse
- Ferns Report
- Lord Mayor’s Statement on abuse suffered by Children in Residential Institutions
- STATUTORY FUND: MINISTERS RESPONSE
- SURVIVORS AT LOGGERHEADS OVER DENIAL OF SEX ABUSE.
- SURVIVORS SPLIT AFTER MEETING.
- The Hypocrites: Der Spiegel on the Catholic Church and Sex
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I set up the YahooGroup to try and get a vote on the Statutory Trust Fund after writing to the Irish PM and getting ignored!!
Together we can make a difference.
Regards Rob
paddy can you do anything for us a lot of us are not well im now at rock bottom im not sure what im going to do next im so worried just have a lovely new grand child please paddy guide us thats a plea from the heart ive never pleaded like this before where do we go from here you have heard all our stories over the months on your site PLEASE PADDY HELP
If I knew what to do that would help and if I was mandated to act on behalf of people who were abused while in the care of the religious orders and the State, I would do it. Paddy
Kathleen, there are several representatives around in England and Ireland who consider themselves to be mandated to act on our behalf but when we try to contact them we never get any responses perhaps they know now that they are not doing enough on our behalf.
Rob I clicked on that link you posted here and sent a message but I got notification that it could not be delivered.
well here we go again. the “SURVIVORS” and I hate that bloody word, only went to England. So we have Survivors in england and Ireland, not right across the world. where is the phone number for people who live outside these two countries.
For god sake I’m sick to death with those GOMBEENS in Leinster House. It’s about time all of you who went through this bloody system STOOD UP and tell them FOR AND ONCE
WHAT YOU WANT AND WHAT THEY CAN DO
And another thing. They never bothered educating you or most of you and now they bloody well want to educate the lot of you to DEATH. Get a GRIP.
Your health is already catered for by the Irish Government.
It’s time to get that crowd of so called Group Leaders out of here and do something. People have been talking till the cows come home around here for months. Stand up to the likes of CHRISTINE BUCKELY (ON A SALARY)
MICHAEL O BRIEN (IN THE BACK POCKET) THAT CROWD IN CORK (MISUSE OF FUNDS YOU NEVER GOT)
and the like
DO NOT LET THIS BE SIGN INTO LAW END OF AUGUST>
CALL JOE DUFFY.ALERT THE PEOPLE OF IRELAND, ASK THEM WHAT THEY THINK. CALL FM 106. CALL YOUR RADIO STATION AND LET THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE COMPUTERS KNOW WHATS GOING ON.
SIGNING THIS END OF AUGUST IN WHAT IS WELL KNOWN AND DOCUMENT AS “THE SILLY SEASON” IS ALSO A FLASH BACK TO WHAT MICHAEL WOODS DID WAY BACK THEN
Greater communication is required with Paddy at the helm.
There may be representatives out there, but where are they when needed?
The big let down in all this is observing the people of ireland failing to come together to support the victims- of course that would mean collective culpability and responsibility as a nation.
No amount of money is going to help in the healing- so the church and state need not be thinking of buying their way out, because will not work. Love and kindness from the people of ireland would be a start, instead of most going around with their noses in the air, citing, sure they were only the poor disposable kids of ireland and sure it was their parents fault that they ended up in those places.! Typical eugenics vocabulary.
All children are born human and yet we treat some better than others and call ourselves great to the world.
What is it with the Irish and their worshipping men in dresses who have conned them into believing they are men of god-some guy on a fluffy cloud who only talks to them- and yet if other people say they hear voices, they end up being locked away- strange.??
Paddy has led the way for years in a polite civilised manner and I am sure people can get together and mandate him to represent all.
The church and state will look forward to the old trick of divide and conquer, so be wise and unite together as One.
I don’t quit get it. A lot of victims of institutional childhood abuse must be very old now,how is this fund going to help them.
How about finding them a home back in Ireland where they were forced to leave at the time.
I’m sure a lot of them would like to spend there last few year’s there.
Like you Paddy, with a mandate agreed and set up, I would be happy to be a voice for the Survivors who have not been listened to.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Does anyone know just exactly what they mean by ‘other educational and welfare purposes.’ Is this for people who were not in the industrial schools? ? ?.
set up a link on here paddy and you ll have my mandate
These so called representatives of survivors have a government given mandate with government funding to represent survivors the way that government dictates.
There is a new group that will be mandated by its members, drawn from survivors their partners, children and grand children.
If you join you can share that mandate, as we speak with one voice; with Democracy, Transparency and Inclusion as core values.
ShameOfIreland is at yahoogroups.com
We currently have a mandate of 5 but if you spread the word we will have a mandate of thousands.
When you write to the Government with a mandate of thousands of survivors you have a real voice.
All members are equal and have the right to use the group name; as correspondence will be voted on prior to sending.
You can vote on the new Statutory Trust Fund before it becomes Law in September at ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.com
If you are having difficulty like Rose email me at rob.northall@ntlworld.com
Hi Rose and everyone else having the same problem?
If you click on the email address is should open your email program. If that doesn’t work copy and paste it into your email program. Or post your email address in this page.
Emails are forwardsed to me.
I can send you a join link
Tried posting the join link on this site.
It tells me I am “too Spammy”
Regards Rob
There’s no reason why your link won’t work on this website. I’ve checked it out and all was well with it. It worked perfectly. Paddy.
If we are not part of a group and living in another part of the world – Canada what are we supposed to do? As far as I know there are no such groups operating over here. How and why do they think we got displaced out of the country in the first place?
Portia, I appreciate the kind comments made about me. Thank you. I’m not sure at all the “Heather and Pat” would agree with a word you’ve written. Both of these people if they really do exist spend their time sending me abusive emails. Paddy.
Mandate with Kathleen and Paddy what a great idea we could not have two better people to speak on our behalf.The question is how do we go about getting a mandate for them.
Hi. Paddy.
I registered against the trust fund on Robs
shameofireland@yahoo.com and found it easy to join and vote.
I have set up a E mail address irishsurvivors@hotmail.com i would like to hear from survivors and supporters of our cause whom would be willing to join a demonstration in London against the trust fund.
Thanks.
Paul Nolan.
Paddy,
It is such a shame that there are no statutory body or organisation out there helping those who were abused in primary or secondary schools.
I had one of the first Christian Brothers sent to prison for 8 years for raping me and abusing 10 others yet we are to be excluded from all forms of redress because “WE had parents to go home to at night” that’s very little solice for the thousands of those out there with a voice and no one to listen to them.
Can you advise if these people who have had proven cases in the past can avail of the education programme?
Some compassion and action needs to be taken on their part also. They at least have the right to be seen as victims.
Regards
Derek Power
what if thay payed our rent so that we will never be homeless again .with no family support its the kind of thing that we all fear.as so many of us live abroad and we are all in fear of institutions’ it would help to have someone implicated in organising thatas we are growing older . i am scared stiff of going to an old peoples home . to be honest i would rather die. being outside ireland’ and england we dont have a voice
Hi.Paddy.
I have just registered my objection to the trust fund.(statutory fund consultation)
Thought i would post a copy of my objections on your site
Thank you for the oppotunity to have a voice on the proposed trust fund.
I had a bad experiance three yeare ago with the present education fund.
I took a NVQ level 2 carpentry course at Lewisham college London funded by the education fund. I passed the course with flying colours. I registered for the next level course, NVQ3 the next year. The fund failed to pay the college fee and my course was stopped and i had to leave the course.
I cannot tell you how disgusted i was with the Irish Education fund for this failure.
I hope me objection to this latest fund is taken seriously.
I believe there are many failures to come.
Paul Nolan…………Survivor…………
Paddy,
I will post my responce to the above missive today. I received an e-mail from the organizer of SOCA in Birmingham on the 28th of July, another group that I do not belong to. The reason he keeps me informed is I queried him on how many members he had, I learned that there are thousands of survivors in England, that was my answer. Well, the latest e-mail to which I answered to him is as follows;
Michael, Thanks for the e-mail.
I do not agree with the set-up of this fund, it is wide open to abuse, so the abuse continues, as far as I am concerned. What I would like to know from this missive, who put it out ? there is no name attached, so we are to assume that the department of education and skills are the culprits. I will send an e-mail to the department and contribute independently to the process.
They have not posted this letter in any newspaper as far as I have seen to connect with the thousands of survivors who are not computer literate, and then they want input from the many survivors in just over three weeks “Friday 27th August 2010″ from today, now that is illiterate, if the letter came from the Department of Skills indeed. There are freefone services available to survivors in the Republic of Ireland, England and Northern Ireland, what about us in Canada, Australia, USA, and other countries?, are we not to contribute to the process, quote; As the Department wishes to consult as widely as possible, it invites the views of all interested parties,”Interested Parties” are they all senile, we are survivors of the heinous crimes of the contributers of the “Statutory Fund”, it is the compensation portion of the religious which they promised to donate in the beginning of the investigations into child abuse by them, its part and parcel of the, Quote; “Fair and Reasonable awards” who said that the compensation by the Independent Residential Institutions Redress Board was “Fair and Reasonable”, will someone in the Department tell us survivors that little Tid Bit, to enlighten us so we can rest at night, not afraid of the boogie men in long black frocks coming to our beds.
Finally, the so called Fund “Is being Proposed” to support the continuing education, Health and Welfare needs faced by survivors, it is “Seperate and Distinct” from the compensation scheme, I have sat down
and tried to figure the continuing education part of that, first, I am 75 and assume that means that I will now be able to catch up with the education that I was given up to age 14 before being put to work on the farm, looking after the pigs, mending boots in the cobblers shop and all the other chores that I was put to, Well, that is great news, I want to be a lawyer when I grow up and maybe join the Dail one day, then again, maybe not go that low.
When I submit my submission, I will identify, as far as possible, the specific needs facing survivors and suggest how the Fund should operate to assist in meeting these needs. ABOLISH THE STATUTORY FUND, a vote of all survivors, worldwide, on it first.
Seanie Morrison, ex. St. Josephs Industrial School, Glin, Co. Limerick.
11330 Lakeside Drive, Prince George, British Columbia. Canada. V2K 5M6.
Phone/Fax. 250 967 4838. e-mail; sas@pgonline.com.
As far as I’m aware Derek, the only people who can avail of funding from the Education Finance Board (EFB) are people who have appeared before the Redress Board and who were placed into Industrial Schools. You can of course check that out with the (EFB). Paddy.
If you want to VOTE on people to represent you and give them a MANDATE!
There is only one place you can vote on things that concern you?
Join ShameOfIreland at yahoogroups.com
Once YOU have joined, it belongs to YOU as much as it does me!
You can set up a vote there on anything!
At the moment it is the only place that you can VOTE on The Statutory Trust Fund!
Hope to see YOU There!
Regard Rob
Together WE are Stronger!
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When I asked my wife what would she want to do if she could get the Irish Government to pay for it?
She thought long and hard about it; in fact she did not even talk about it for weeks.
A couple of night ago she said to me.
“I want to learn to swim because I am frightened of water and I just want to swim and feel free! Will the Irish Government pay for that?
I said “Sure”
– But –
You have body image issues so it would have to be a Pool to yourself,
You don’t trust Men; and you have difficulty forming trusting relationships?
If you don’t feel comfortable with your trainer you will quit unless you can changed them.
You have a phobia about water that you want to conquer; and if it goes wrong then it will never go away!
I sat back and thought for a while:
Hire a Pool for 20 weeks?
Hire a Personal Trainer?
Change them if you don’t feel comfortable?
Start form the beginning until you can swim?
My reckoning; 4 Grand! Sterling!
If it works first time!
Can’t see a TRUST FUND managed by NUNS and PRIESTS WASTING that amount of MONEY on TEACHING SOMEONE TO SWIM!!!!!!!
They were “PAID” by the Irish Government to “look after her”; They couldn’t spend the money on that!
They are certainly not going to WASTE MONEY TEACHING HER TO SWIM!
I have been asked about MY MOTIVATION for setting up ShameOfIreland at Yahoogroup.com.
I LOVE MY WIFE!
If I could afford £20,000 to teach her to swim I’d pay it.
We were comfortable before the Redress Board; Then it took over 3 years of OUR Lives and I can no longer provided for the woman I LOVE!
They cost us more than they paid up!
BUT!
I LOVE HER!
That is my MOTIVATION! Penniless with her or a Millionaire without her; She comes first evertime!
TO ALL WHO WERE IN INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS AND LETS NOT FORGET THE MAGDALEN LAUNDRIES
WE ARE NOT SURVIVORS BUT WITNESSES OF A HORRID CRIME COMMITTED AGAINST US ALL.
PLEASE TELL, ME SINCE WHEN HAS THE GUILTY PARTY EVER DECIDED THAT WHAT THEY PAY FOR THEIR CRIMES IS FAIR?
THIS IS AN INSULT TO US ALL.
TO GO TO A REDRESS FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO US THROUGHOUT OUR CHILDHOOD HAS RE-OPENED ALL THE WOUNDS OF OUR EXPERIENCES. IS NOW AFFECTING US AND OUR LOVED ONES EVEN MORE.
AS PADDY RIGHTLY QUOTED HERE
As far as I’m aware Derek, the only people who can avail of funding from the Education Finance Board (EFB) are people who have appeared before the Redress Board and who were placed into Industrial Schools.
IS RIGHT AND FOR THE IMMEDIATE FAMILIES ALSO.
THIS EDUCATION FUND WAS ORGANIZED BEFORE THE REDRESS ALREADY GIVEN, AGREED BY THOSE USELESS GROUPS AND PASSED BY A CHEATING GOVERNMENT WHO NOW WANT TO PLACE THIS ON THIS FUND.
SO THEY TAKE BACK 500 MILLION AND NOW THEY WANT US TO PAY FOR THE SAME EDUCATION BILL THAT WAS ALSO IN PLACE AS PART OF THE DEAL WITH REDRESS,
THIS IS INSANE AND DOWN RIGHT DECEITFUL IT IS BLOODY WRONG.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT HAVE PROMISED US.
WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE WAGES, THE OVERHEADS, THE OFFICES, THE BILLS, THE EXPENSES, THE PUBLICITY, THE ADVERTISING, AND SO ON.
AFTER THIS WHAT USE IF THERE WAS ANY USE AT ALL ARE THESE GROUPS IN THE FUTURE?
100 MILLION WILL NOT LAST THE LIFE OF A PACK OF CHICKENS BUT THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE GOT TO LAST US FOR OUR LIVES CHICKEN FEED.
THIS GOVERNMENT SAID IN PUBLIC THAT THEY MUST LISTEN, HEAR AND UNDERSTAND THE SURVIVORS OF THEIR ABUSE BUT THEY NEVER PROMISED THEY WOULD PAY THE PRICE.
FINNA FAIL YOU ARE THE GOVERNMENT IN POWER TODAY YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE NOW FOR THE PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE OF CHILDREN OF THE STATE.
WE ARE WITNESSES OF THE CRIMES YOU THE GOVERNMENT AND THE RELIGIOUS HAVE COMMITTED AGAINST US AS CHILDREN OF THIS STATE.
PAY YOUR DUES NOT YOUR VIEWS
if they were listening we would have heard by now ……………
dead man walking how are you sir? its good to see you still have the fight in you. i was concerned yet relieved you are still writing well done sir admiration to you true regards robert
To Rob Northall, would you please put up a petition mandating Paddy Doyle to represent us in dealings with statutory bodies concerning the wellfare of victims of clerical terror. Would you do that Rob?. Perhaps you could request permission to place it on Paddys site from Paddy so as to facilitate accessability by the victims.
Dear Charles,
ShameofIreland belongs to YOU as much as it does me! You have the right to create your own Poll and ask people to vote.
I agree that there needs to be a public face for the delivery of messages on our behalf.
I was about to ask Paddy if he would be interested in doing that; I also understand that Kathleen would be interested in jointly representing us!
You as a member have the right to set up new polls!
More People Should Join ShameOfIreland and vote on the Statutory Trust Fund.
We have a Mandate of 7 a Vote from 7 People we need another 1,993 or our voice will be ignored.
SPREAD THE WORD AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
ShameOfIreland Stands for DEMOCRACY, INCLUSION and TRANSPARENCY!
TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER!
There are some who have said they would Join and Vote and have not?
To those of you sitting on the fence for what ever reason I urge you to make up your mind and Vote for What the Government Wants? OR What the Majority of Victims Want?
This Heinous Trust Becomes Law in September!
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!
I think the only way to make the government listen is a full on riot!! show them we mean business..
O and of course the religious orders…..
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The Statutory Trust Fund should be dissolved and the Money Paid to the Victims
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This is the correct email address of ShameOfIreland.
Sorry for being STUPID!
Regards Rob
Rob would you please set up a petition for Paddy to speak on out behalf at petitions.ie as this would be more easily accessible to people.
Paddy, as you are aware, we have e-mailed several members of the Dáil and Oireachtas on the 25th June 2010 in relation to our concerns and issues regarding the controversial 2002 Secret Deal and Article 44.2.2 of the Constitution and the proposed €110 million Statutory Trust Fund to be legislated for in the Dáil (Irish Parliament)in September 2010. It should be quite clear that the present An Tánaiste Mary Coughlan TD, Minister for Education and Skills is the same person that agreed to the intensley critisized controversial 2002 Secret Deal between the State and the 18 religious congregations which includes the enormity of the State and its politicians misconduct. Furthermore, Article 44.2.2 of the Constitution, states quite clearly that “the State guarantees not to endow any religion”.Therefore, it would be in the best interests of victims of institutional child abuse to have their say in how this money should be shared out by e-mailing their written submissions in relation to this so-called €110 million Statutory Trust Fund to: StatutoryFund@education.gov.ie or posted to: Statutory Fund Consultation, Department of Education and Skills, Block 2, Marlborough Street, Dublin 1 before Friday 27th August 2010.
Does anyone know if there will be a protest in Dublin againist this outrageous proposal by the government. Maybe it could be at the Dept Of Education & Skills. How about August 21st.. It would have to be before August 27th. and I think a Saturday would be more suitable to people than midweek. Any thoughts on this..??
Hi Rose
The correct email address for ShameOfIreland is
ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
Once you are a member there you can vote on The Trust Fund is Aims and Objectives of the ShameOfIreland.
Public Representation of the Group the ShameOfIreland and anything else. You can set up your own vote on anything comunicate with all the members at the same time.
ShameOfIreland stands for Democracy Inclusion and Transparency.
Any Representative of the Group, (and I really don’t have an intertest in being one of them, will have the Mandate of the whole of the Group. Membership will grow as we need to realise that without the Transparency; and Members being able to Vote fairly on how we are Represented; we end up with a “Not in MY Name” situation.
I have to say on a personal note that Paddy would get my vote!
I have seen the character of the man; demonstrated; and he is a man of integrity; and willing to do what he can for OUR cause.
I do not know how useful a Vote on Petitions.ie would be. As I have not fully explorered it?
In order to have a “REAL MANDATE” you need a list of names and the Mandate needs to be regularly reafirmed.
if the newspapers were willing to follow the course of things perhaps we would be heard ‘ but they are doing the same thing as in the past . rumours were common such as if you don’t behave yourself you will be sent to golden bridge. several of us wrote them letters. we never heard a word from them. the media stars help sell newspapers we don’t. i don’t know who runs things but they don’t give a shit about the rest of us.only chrissie matters.i wonder why
This may not be what they asked us to submit to them but it’s what they got from me.
To All You Politicians,
I strongly object to any Statutory Fund. It is an absolute insult to your victims. Wake up and listen. What use is education to us now..? it’s not as if anyone of us could get employment at our age. Health needs.. isn’t there a health system already available to people in this country, all be it a messed up one.?? Welfare…will aid from this fund be included in means testing for those of us receiving pensions or unfortunate enough to find ourselves on the dole? What about victims not resident in Ireland, how would the fund work out for them. ?
“The Government has announced its proposal to use €110m of the offers of contributions from religious Congregations to establish and operate a Statutory Fund to support the needs of survivors of residential institutional child abuse and for other education and welfare purposes ” , Could you please elaborate on the underlined..does it mean part of the fund would be used for persons who were not imprisoned in industrial schools??
How can you say victims got fair and reasonable awards..?? to my mind there was nothing fair or reasonable about it. Have any of you spoken to any victims about that? OOPS you gagged us on that didn’t you. WHY?
The State denied us our rights as children , Now as adults WE AND ONLY We have the right to decide on what is best for us. You said you would listen to us but you haven’t. you are still trodding all over us.
I say NO to your Statutory Fund.
I set up a E mail address irishsurvivors@hotmail.com to compile a list of survivors and supporters willing to demonstrate in London against the trust fund, unfortunatly only one person made contact.
I would like survivors and supporters in the UK to E mail their objections to the trust fund to the E mail address above. I will print off and deliver the E mails myself by hand to the Irish embassy in London.
This is the only way i can help to change things in our favour.
Paul Nolan.
People let us not forget that this little monies 110milion only works out to be around 7,000 euro per survivor and their family. As I said before this money is an insult and you should not take it.
My father received 60,000 euro for what was inflicted on him. He should have received ten times that amount for his suffering.
You all should receive a lot more than 7,000euro.
Can anybody tell me what happened to the opening of the religious orders account books. Wasn’t it that the government were to look at the religious orders books and make it public what they had in assets all together all over the world. From that they would work out how much to compensate.
i have said it many times before the government know they were responsible for our lives as children in those prison run schools just as the religious.
for years we have suffered due to this abuse but not just the abuse but the lack of social skills, family life, welfare issues, yes even education.
all we have learnt here is that they have not accepted the responsibility themselves.
how does this government work out they pay 50% and the religious 50%
we all need to look at this more carefully and think how can they claim only 50% of the damage when they were guilty 100% or not guilty at all.
the religious were also guilty 100% or not at all.
so now we have the government taking back 50% and we are only given 1/6th of the religious money by that same government that was guilty 100%
either they are both guilty 100% or not if a criminal is found guilty in a court they are guilty 100 % or they are not guilty at all.
i believe the government stole our compensation by 50% of their own crime against us, we are all down by this 50% of that religious money that was promised.
put it this way
so two criminals in court found guilty 100 % each for the same crime,
does this mean they have to do only 50% of the time each?
I THINK NOT
GIVE BACK OUR COMPENSATION MR COWEN NOW
Robert Northall
PUT IN FOR A SWIMMING POOL. WHY JUST LESSONS.
Ok
It’s RETAIL THERAPY I’M LOOKING FOR NOT EDUCATION, COUNCELLING, OR ANY OF THAT RUBBISH I WANT RETAIL THERAPY NOW NOW NOW
I NEED TO SHOP TILL I DROP
I WANT PADDY DOYLE AND KATHLEEN O’MALLEY TO REPRESENT ME AND MY SIBLINGS.
THAT’S A COUNT OF 10, THEY ALL AGREE
I HEREBY GIVE PADDY DOYLE AND KATHLEEN O’MALLEY PERMISSION TO SPEAK ON MY BEHALF AND MY SIBLINGS BEHALF BEFORE THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION REGARDING THIS MATTER WHICH HAS A CLOSING DATE END OF AUGUST
I CANNOT PHONE THEM MY SELF AS THEY HAVE A FREE PHONE WHICH ONLY WORKS IN THE UK AND IRELAND AND THAT IS NOT WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW.
I’M QUITE SURE MY EMAIL IF I EMAIL THEM WILL SOMEHOW DISAPPEAR AS DID MANY OTHER THINGS PAPER WORK AND THE LIKE THROUGH THE YEARS
SO
OFF YOU GO PADDY AND KATHLEEN
THAT’S TEN ON YOUR LIST FOR A MANDATE.
I WILL GIVE YOU OUR NAMES OFF LINE.
Paul, you seem disappointed that you put up an email address and got one response in so little time.
If you can infulence 5 Thats 26 People;
and they in turn can influence 5 People;
Thats 156 People!
If they can influence 5;
Thats 936!
If they can influence 5;
Thats 4680!!!!
That is the Mandate I want for Paddy!
Be “encouraged” my Friend.
I Started ShameOfIreland as 1 Man and found 8 people who feel as pasionately about thing as I do.
I only aimed for 5; because I know that you can all persuade 5 people!
Have you been reciving you ShameOfIreland updates?
If not check your account settings?
Take heart my Friend!
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You still need to join ShameOfIreland to Nominate and Vote for YOUR Representatives.
Without the instant Re-Ratification of their mandate. Some will say “NOT IN MY NAME” which will give the Politicians a chance to devide and Conquer!!
What Education. Shure you can get your leaving cert done free by going back to school. So why do they need to take money from this fund to fund your education? And what about The Education Finance Board. they have the money if you want to go back and get some kind of education. That is after you fill out all the forms and get your Solicitor to fill out and sign forms to say you were abused.
This fund is basically for the so called GROUP LEADERS WITHOUT A MANDATE
To keep them in pocket and their offices running and their websites running WHAT WEBSITES? Paddy Doyle is the only one with a decent website to keep people informed
JOIN AND SIGN A MANDATE FOR PADDY AND KATHLEEN
Robert Your logic on 100% is 100% correct.
Clear thinking is always welcome.
Lets Get the vote against the Trust Fund out of the way.
I for one; want the rest of the Money distributed and the Irish Government to Sue the un “Holy See” for more!
Vote on the Trust Fund on
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
If you use facebook bebo or any other forums or social networking sites publish the link there? I DID!!!
The Petition Above is open to the public at large! email it! Paste it on Facebook! mention it on forums.
The Poll on the ShameOfIreland is only for Survivors, Their Partners and their Children.
Regards Rob
Proposed Statutory Fund to support the needs of Survivors of Residential Institutional Child Abuse.
I’m just curious. Was this proposed consultation printed in the Irish papers and if so when? I noticed the deadline for submissions is 27th August (just over three weeks from now). It doesn’t seem to give a lot of time for people to get together considering it is the holiday season.
Just so you all know. I wrote to the Department of Education re the FreePhone system. See below my email
Sirs
I’m and other people are having an ISSUE with the phone system you have set up.
I’m in America and I know of people in Canada and Australia who cannot call your telephone number as it’s FREE PHONE
The Department of Education surely has a LANDLINE for this matter
So please can you adress this issue as a matter of URGENCY before your DEADLINE of 27th August
Thank you
Just so you all KNOW
I’m still waiting for a REPLY to my email from the Department. Email address is at the top of this listing in article Paddy posted.
so they have NO LANDLINE AND NO ONE MANNING THE COMPUTER
ARE THEY ARE HOLIDAY OR WHAT?????????????????
I spoke to the department today and they are trying to get a land line so people can call if they are out of reach ie in other countries apart from Ireland and England
so lets wait and see what happens
It appears that many Survivors living in America/Canada and Australia have an issue with the FREE PHONE stytem with the Department of Education and Skills in Ireland. However,if the aforementioned want to cast their vote against the Statutory Trust Fund then PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THE STATUTORY TRUST FUND at: http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
Katie Have You Joined ShameOfIreland? That is where the mandate id being set up! Not on this Site!
Even if you have already writen and or emailed it is important to vote at
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
The Enemy, OOPS! I mean the government will asume you have and try and distort the response to the Trust.
The ShameOfIreland has 2 very well loved and respected people prepared to represent YOUR views. Nominations are still open; BUT you need to JOIN to NOMINATE.
They can’t do anything unless YOU join and give them the MANDATE they neeed!
By not joining you are saying that the Government appointed representatives are YOUR chosen Representatives!
By not joining OTHERS can say; they only REPRESENT a few; and we will have them saying “NOT IN MY NAME!”
ShameOfIreland stands for Democracy Inclusion and Transparency!
email
ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
For an invitation to Join!
or rob.northall@ntlworld.com
Regards Rob
Rob, I have signed the petition but my name does not appear on the list.
Charles you should have received an e-mail when you signed, is so the you need to go there and click on the link. If you didn’t get the mail then sign again. My friend did it 3 times before she got the mail.
Charles, I presume that you are refering to the
Petition
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
I believe that you are waiting for a confirmation email from the site to click a link to confirm your vote?
It may be in Cyber space.
If you need my help you have my personal email address and the group email address; saves Paddy having to Moderate your message and may get you help sooner.
Emails sent to the GRoup email address is forwarded to all members; they can then help you if I am not avaiable.
Regard Rob
Great news regarding Kathleen and Paddy repesenting us we must do all we can to support them.Thank you Rob for setting up SHAMEOFIRELAND and the petition vote.Catherine.
What’s required now are the numbers that will give the mandate required to represent people. That’s going to be the big test. Paddy.
hi paddy thats wonderful news that you and kathleen are repesenting us is that true
Subject Header: Can YOU Help give Survivors of The Industrial School System a Voice? By Signining The Petition, And FORWARDING THIS EMAIL to EVERYONE!
I apologise if you have already been contacted in this matter, but I believe it is important enough for you to read?
The Congregations’ Of Religious Ireland gave “Extra Compensation” to the Government for the Survivors of the Industrial School System;
The Government is setting up a Trust Fund with this money; which will REPLACE The Education Fund that already exists for Survivors.
This is a Step backward; and all of the Survivors I know are against this!
PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THE STATUTORY TRUST FUND AT
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
This is not about Money this about not being listened to; They were not listened to as Children; They are Still being treated as Children!
THIS IS AN OPEN VOTE FOR EVERYONE!
PLEASE VOTE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK? I JUST DID!
You can follow and join in the debate at
http://www.paddydoyle.com/minister-coughlans-response-to-a-request-for-a-poll-on-trust-fund/
http://www.paddydoyle.com/a-consultation-proposal-statutory-fund-2/
IF YOU ARE A SURVIVOR JOIN SHAMEOFIRELAND at
Click to join ShameOfIreland
You Will Need to Create a Yahoo ID (Which Is No More difficult than Joining Facebook)
There you can vote on representation for others Like YOU!
TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER!
Regards Rob Northall
The above is an email I have sent to everyone who has ever emailed me! Please will you all do the same?
can family members join shame of ireland?
If you do use it can you change the “Click to join” to Email ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk for and invitation
If we can send a chain email around the world and 5% actually read it and act on it; it will prove to the Givernment(What a Glorious Typing Mistake if only it were true (LMFAO)) Sorry!
It will prove to the Government that the world want US to be listened to.
At last we seem to have lift off and may be going into new terrority. Thank you Rob.
It’s my view that family members of people who were abused while in the care of religious orders should of course be allowed put their names to any petition. However that’s Rob’s call. I have suggested it to him. Paddy.
Kathleen and I will be happy to represent those people who want us to do so. What’s not needed is to get the number of people up and up so that the government will have to listen. The voices of so many people cannot be ignored. Paddy.
Rose, In answer to membership of the ShameOfIreland; If you look at the draft Aims and objective on the Group Home Page.
Survivors;
Parnters;
and Chidren of Survivors; have all had to live with the impact of the Industrial Schools.
I know that my steps children did.
They are all permited to be members and vote in their own right.
I added Grand Children because of the age of some of the Survivors and it seemed only reasonable that a loving grand child should be able to get involved and vote on behalf of their Grand Parent; but this is not a vote in thier own right!
I hope this makes things clearer.
We still need to vote on the Aims and Objectives when we have more members.
Don’t forget the vote on petitions.ie
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
IS OPEN TO THE WHOLE WORLD; ASK YOUR FRIENDS TO VOTE THERE! EMAIL, TELEPHONE, TEXT IT!
What we are looking for in this vote isn’t the money; We want the world to tell the Irish Government we should not be ignored!
This is a GLOBAL MANADATE FOR SURVIVORS RIGHTS!
PS Don’t forget time is running out!
The Statutory Trust Fund becomes LAW in September!!
While you are tryihg to get this GLOBAL VOTE, also try and get other Survivors to Join ShameOfIreland!
Together WE are STRONGER
I am puting around 6 to 8 hours a day into this!
I need your help?
Your Friend Rob
Just Checked.
15 Members of ShameOfIreland
27 Signatures on the
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
With a lttle more effort we can do a lot better!
But the pace is picking up!
Anyone got any media contacts?
We need to get the word out there!!!!
Your Friend Rob
there are so many out there rob who dont have any access to computers.
Hi All,
I have just sent a message about the ‘consultation proposal/statutory’ fund to Neil Prendervile @ 96fm Cork. I also mentioned the online petition. I hope this will be of some help in letting people know about it.
Just Checked.
17 Members of ShameOfIreland
36 Signatures on the
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
That’s 2 more @ The ShameOfIreland
and 9 more on the Global petition.
Since 9 o’clock last night!
The Pace is quickening!
Rob I have signed the petition corectly but find my name is not on the petition. I have attempted to sign the petition again but to no avail. I have mandated Paddy to represent me through ShameofIreland and this may be sucessfull. I am on the European mainland. Thank you Rob for your work here.
Nice one Rose!!!
If everyone on this Website spent 1 hour a day trying to raise awareness; The Cause would be all but Won?
Charles,Check your email junk mail folder petition.is wiil send you a confirmation link to confirm your vote!
Hope this helps?
I have been invited along with Paddy Doyle,to be a representative or voice for the Survivors. Thank you for your confidence, should I be elected I will do everything in my power to make your wishes known to the powers that be.
IT IS TIME OUR VOICE WAS HEARD. AS CHILDREN WE WERE IGNORED AS WERE OUR FAMILIES. RECENTLY WE WERE ALSO IGNORED DURING “THE INVESTAGATION INTO CHILD ABUSE” when only a minority of schools were investigated. this clearly was a cover up allowing our abusers (CRIMINALS) to continue living a normal life with no convictions. We on the other hand have had Criminal Convictions bestowed upon us for just being born and poor. It is time these convictions were expunged for one and all.
I have also joined “THESHAMEOFIRELAND”
Kathleen O’Malley.
PRESS RELEASE
THE VOTE THEY NEVER WANTED TO HAPPEN!
There is a new mood of optimism; amongst the Oppressed and Downtrodden Irish Community; that consists of the Survivors of the Irish Industrial School System.
On the eve of the New Statutory Trust Fund becoming Law; and Replacing the Education Fund; there is a hum of excitement and a chance for real change!
The Irish Government have been negotiating with the Congregations Of Religious Ireland for over a year on the setting up of the Trust Fund; but when it comes to consulting the people it affects; the consultation period is short and quietly announced!
But you can’t keep good people down; the world at large can now vote on whether or not the Survivors should be consulted? Openly, Honestly and Constructively.
There is Poll on the internet at http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
When asked the creator of the Poll Robert Northall said “This is not about Money this about not being listened to; They were not listened to as Children; They are Still being treated as Children!”
He Added “This is an open vote for everyone to tell the Irish Government that they have to listen to the Survivors, and not he Government Mandate Representative of Survivors”
One of the survivors Sean Morrison when asked said “the Entire matter has been planned and set in motion, without any consultation with the Survivor’s, without offering them a chance to even vote on just how they would like the money, contributed by the Religious, to be shared out. This is both very unfair, and unjust, a view shared by the majority of Survivor’s, the Media, and Member’s of various support group’s.”
He goes on to say “Many of these Survivor’s, are at an age when further education, council ling, etc, are of no interest to them. Many are coming towards the end of their lives, mostly retired now, and in view of the fact that the majority were badly short-changed at the Redress Board, they , and I, feel it only fair that the contributed money, should be shared out fairly between the Survivor’s, allowing us all to get on with our remaining lives, and call closure on this sorry part of our lives. This would be the correct way to proceed, for Survivor’s, and the Government.”
The Poll has the Backing of two very well respected “Witnesses” of the cruelty of the Industrial School System Paddy Doyle the Author of “The God Squad and Kathleen O’Malley who is the Author of “Childhood Interrupted”. Kathleen is also a Magistrate in the UK. So she knows about Justice something that the Survivors of the Industrial School System saw very little of.
For those who do not have access to the internet they can make their feeling know to the Irish Government in writing to
Statutory Fund Consultation,
Department of Education and Skills, Block 2,
Marlborough Street,
Dublin 1
before Friday 27th August 2010.
The above Press Release has been approved by all mentioned in it; Now we have to get it out there! TV Radio Newpapers.
Paddy and All,
As a victim of rape by a Christian brother that was sentenced to 8 years the likes of myself are excluded from this because I was raped in a primary school.
I am not complaining as i sorted this out in the courts. I really wish you all well and wish that you can stop the rot that occurred in the area of industrial representation and the disgrace that it is.
The only reason that the so called Crowd are allowed away with this is because as long as their there its not the government’s problem.
Please scream from the roof tops!!!! Stop The Rot!!!!
Get Paddy and others mandated and allow decency to return to your needs.
I wish you all the best and am hopeful this is not a wasted exercise.
Best wishes
Derek Power
Hi Paddy and the world.
Can someone get this latest bulletin to Joe Duffy on RTE and other Radio Announcers.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Hi Paddy and Co, I have recently made my full Submission regarding the Trust Fund, and also my vote to Shame of Ireland .
I would also like to add my support of a mandate to have PADDY AND KATHLEEN as our representative’s, ASAP.
Like so many folk here, i have been very upset at the manner in which some so called group’s and other’s,have engaged in sinister
slagging match’s, and allegation’s of abuse of Fund’s by themselve’s , for themselve’s, and certainly not for the benifit of folk they claim to represent.
good luck to all ,keep fighting.
Jimmy.
To all concerned regarding the proposed trust fund.
I Paul Nolan wish to nominate Kathleen O Malley, and Paddy Doyle to represent my vote against the proposed trust fund.
Paul Nolan.
To all concerned regarding the proposed Trust Fund. I Charles O’Rourke wish to nominate Kathleen O’Malley and Paddy Doyle to represent me in any negotiations with statute bodies pertaining the wellfare of victims of clerical terror.
Below is an email I received from the Department. They do have a footnote at end of email that this is private & confidential, usual with some emails. I wrote back to them about this and have NOT had a reply, so because of the URGENCY of this matter I have decided to post the LANDLINE NUMBERS here.
Note****
If you are living in any of the countries outside of Ireland and the UK, you only get a TWO 1/2 HOUR SLOT to call these numbers. Of course you could be in a country where by
this time will be in the Middle of the night for you. For instance the East Coast of USA
2.30p.m. Irish is 9.30a.m. US
West Coast 2.30p.m.Irish is 6.30a.m. Us and so forth. God only know what time or day it would be in Australia and the like, but anyway below is for your information.
Imelda,
I refer to our telephone conversation regarding a landline number that can be used for residents residing in countries outside of Ireland and England. The following numbers can be used for anyone wishing to give their views on the statutory fund by telephone:
09064 83953 or
09064 84119
This service will be available between 2.30pm and 5.00pm from Monday to Friday until 27th August 2010.
Survivors can also send in written submissions which can be emailed to StatutoryFund@education.gov.ie or posted to Statutory Fund Consulatation, Department of Education and Skills, Block 2, Marlborough Street, Dublin 2.
The phone numbers above should be used solely for the purposes of giving their views on the proposed Statutory Fund and not for any other purpose.
I trust that the above will prove useful.
Regards,
Nuala Hynes.
My vote on the petition page seems to be still in cyber space and may never land on earth so I wish to have my vote registered here and my nomination of Paddy Doyle and Kathleen O’Malley as my representative confirmed here.
RE:FUND
For everyone’s information. A Petition is open to anyone to sign. The Petition above on .IE is a public petition and every Tom Dick and Harry can sign it. You wife can, your auntie, your children, your grandchildren, your cousins can, your neighbours can, the man down in the local shop the man up the electricy pole can, so get it out there and get people to sign.
For anyone interest here is the World’s TIME ZONE
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/difference.html?p1=78&continent=australasia
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
This might be an easier one
Nuala Hynes from the DOE, has kindly answered my question re confidentialy of email. So it’s ok to post the details Paddy.
Would everyone only use the telepone for the purpose as requested and not for other matters. This is very important. So please pass on the telephone numbers to people abroad if you know of them..thanks Imelda
Imelda,
I forwarded this email to you with the intention of having it distributed to anyone that it applies to, i.e former residents of institutions who are residing outside Ireland, NI and the UK who wish to give their views on the statutory fund. The warning only applies where a person received the email in error. This is not so in your case and the intention was that the numbers provided could be passed on to them.
I trust this clarifies the position.
Nuala Hynes.
And we should trust the DOE because?????!!!!
Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought this campaign was about voting against the proposed trust fund and not about giving views on how it should be spent which IS what the DOE phone line and emails are for isn’t it,???
A huge thanks to Rob and Paddy – please keep the votes coming in folks – Kind Regards – Kay
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
every government office,post office, social welfare, family resource center hospital, and library should have been sent this statuary fund questionnaire all it takes is an email and a printer hardly any cost to the tax payer.
( just incase we are being charged for all the admin offices and staff )
as this has not been mentioned as of yet,
WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THOSE WAGES, SERVICES, AND ADMIN COSTS ? US?
IF THEY GIVE THE MONEY TO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT IT THIS MAY SAVE TIME AND COSTS WHO EVER IS TO PAY.
AFTER BEEN ROBBED OF THE 50% BY A GOVERNMENT THAT ADMITTED 100% AND THE CHURCH 100%
ARE WE TO FIT THIS ADMIN BILL ALSO?
The Approved Press Release has been sent to
‘chris.evans@bbc.co.uk’
‘submissions@spiked-online.com’
‘contact@richarddawkins.net’
‘contact@MolestedCatholics.com’
‘CabAction’
‘bock@bocktherobber.com’
‘jeremy.vine@bbc.co.uk’
‘panorama@bbc.co.uk’
‘The Spectator’
‘wrightstuff@five.tv’
‘thismorning@itv.com’
‘bbcbreakfast@bbc.co.uk’
‘Pollard, Chris’
‘Todaypk@rte.ie’
‘joe@rte.ie’
‘frontline@rte.ie’
BBC Newsdesk
Radio 4 the Today Program
It appears further up in this Post or on the ShameOfIreland Group Page
Feel free to forward it to anyone you think may publish?
The Shame Of Ireland now has a membership of 19; including Paddy and Kate; Still need more to build a mandate?!?
The Petition has a now got 56 signatures; The more we publicise it the faster it will grow! I Know Paddy and Kate are both working hard on this!
Currently working on a Poster to send to the Irish Clubs in Newport and Gloucester; Will make it available when done!
Together WE are STRONGER!
Dear All,
I have just re-read this entire post; there seems to be some comfusion.
You ALL need to join the “Shame of Ireland” to VOTE for Paddy and Kate to represent YOU!
At the moment there is a MANDATE of 19 the Government will laugh this off!
I urge you to join!
email ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
For an invitation to join!
You will need to set up a Yahoo ID which is no more difficult than joining Facebook etc.
When WE have more members WE can VOTE!
Regards Rob
Robert.
A very good point for the above.
We need to speak to the following Ministers who have been involved with the Religious Congregation in signing the Indeminity Deal. The Prime Minister, Minister of State, Minister of Education, Minister for Children, Minister for Health and the Justice Minister.
What agreements have they submitted to etc. Who is this fund intended for, many questions need to be asked until we see this contract we are as usual in the dark. It is now time for Joe Duffy and other Radio Announcers in Ireland to interview the above mentioned and discuss this matter.
We call on you the Ministers to answer the above questions.
What Newspaper did the above Article first appear in.
A Poster for you to Print and distribute to Clubs, Pubs,and anywhere else you can think of where Irish People are in your area is a vailable to downloa from the ShameOfIreland Group Page.
Join or email me for a copy
rob.northall@ntlworld.com
Just read that one of the wealthiest Religion’s in the world, The Roman Catholic Church, are going to charge Folk who wish to see the Pope in action at various location’s in the UK, when he visit’s.
Make’s my blood boil to think that their are Folk who would actually pay money ,in support of a Religion , who are so guilty of Child Abuse throughout the world, protecting the ABUSER’S in their midst, giving them shelter, pension’s and comfort in their elder year’s. Their attitude being to blaze’s with the Abused.We brought it on ourselve’s!!
I’m of the opinion that the R C C WERE THE ORIGINAL MAFIA, and have snared our present Government into their web. What next, A POPE’S TAX ON IT’S MEMBER’S?
JIMMY.
I Notice Kate O Malley says she wants the mandate to represent people. I have 6 different Emails asking me to vote about the so called fund. I have had enough of people saying they will speak for me . All the group leaders have lined their own pockets over the years. Saying they represent the people. I personally do not want anyone to represent me My vote is privite It is a bit late in the day to become a leader of a group (11 years too late) may Cornish
May
“All the group leaders have lined their own pockets over the years. Saying they represent the people”
That is actually correct. AND WE ARE FED UP WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY ONLY REPRESENTED THEMSELVES NOT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SENT AWAY TO INSTITUTIONS.
IT’S NOW TIME TO PUT THINGS RIGHT AND WE NEED PEOPLE TO JOIN TOGETHER AND DO WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING.STAND UP TO THEM AND THE GOVERNMENT
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND IT’S NEVER TOOOOOOOOO
LATE
SO GO OUT AND SIGN THE PETITION
STOP THIS FUND GOING THROUGH LEINSTER HOUSE
May, You are actually missing the point; Kathleen O’Malley has not asked for a Mandate to Represent anyone; In light of discusions that have been ongoing on this site; I have set up rhe ShameOfIreland because I was fed up with Right Of Place; Alliance.Org; OneinFour;
Ignoring emails; These are the Representatives thrust upon YOU by the Government; with wages Paid for by the Government; to represent YOU the way the Government wants you REPRESENTED!
I started the vote against the Trust Fund on the ShameOfIreland Group page; for Survivors to have their say! I also put up the petition on Petitions.ie.
I expressed my opinion to the Members of the “ShameOfIreland” that as numbers grew if we wanted to speak with one Voice we would have to think of a Representative to tell the Government; I asked Members to Nominate Representatives; NOT Leaders!
Please Join the ShameOfIreland and get your opinions on the current corrupt Representation expresssed to the Government.
Shame Of Ireland Stands for Democracy; Inclusion and Transparency,
Together WE are Stronger!
Regards
Rob
ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
PS. I hope you have voted to express your opinion at every opportunity; as the Government will assume you have and manipulate the statistics
Kate
How dare you tell me to go out and vote. Do you think you are still in the courts passing judgement on people. Remember it was the Judicary who passed judgement on Innocent Children and sentenced them to the institution for all of their childhoods .
As there is no money going to the Groupes who is paying your expences for all of this .what have you done for any survivor in the past. You were never on any demonstrations that I went on. It is only since the fund was mentioned you came out on the scene .may
For whom is this trust fund intended for. There were 52 industrial Schools in Ireland. Is this trust fund intended only for the people that went to the redress board or those that were in the industrial schools. Most of the group leaders are from the industrial schools. You have to decide for yourself what you want done with this trust fund. Where have all you people been over the last ten years and what have you done for yourselves. Have you been on any of the demonstrations that have taken place in Ireland and England like myself Ask not what people can do for you, but what can you do for yourselves.May& Kath
Hi May, I have made my own written Submission to the Government, and also voted at Shame of Ireland, as I firmly believe in the strength of number’s. Something we all need as Survivor’s to make a case for ourselves. And support each other in fair play and justice.
It may be 11 year’s to late for you, and it is your choice to stay alone with your desire to remain private, and independent of any group. Indeed I can see your points, and understand your concerns about the “going-on” at various group’s, inc outreach service’s in Ireland and the UK.
I used to think, as Survivor’s, that we are all equal, but over the last few year’s, I have come to the conclusion, that there are many involved with these group’s, who consider themselves more equal than other’s!
It became more difficult to know who to trust, and for me, it became obvious that these same ” Self elected so called leader’s” were informed, ( long before it became public knowledge, of the Proposed Trust Fund) which is indicated in their wish to accept and agree to the Fund, and get themselves in line for access to the funding they are claiming, in the names of all the member’s they claim to have!
I still believe that it would be great to have a voice with a website, someone we can trust, and who command’s respect , who is located in Dublin, and has Survivor’s interest’s at heart, listens and share’s concerns and advice. Paddy tick’s all the boxes for me, and has indicated that if elected in a fair way, with a mandate, he would represent Survivor’s. Kathleen has also indicated her offer to do likewise, and for me , their could not be two more reliable and responsible folk to would honestly and sincerely do their member’s justice. I am confident they could effect a good address to the Government on Survivor’s behalf and express the wishes of us all.
I am also confident that Paddy and Kathleen would do a good job, not only for Survivor’s in Ireland, but the UK and the many scattered all over the world.
Regards Jimmy.
May
I think you got a bit cross wired here. It’s a long thread.
Kathleen O’Malley or Paddy Doyle “DID NOT” ask or tell anyone to go out and “VOTE”
We the people ask them to go out and stand up and speak on our behalf.
If we all sit back and be Private then nothing is going to get done and the likes of Christine Buckley, Michael O’Brien, The Cork people and everyone else who JUMPED ON THE BANDWAGON to line their pockets (I’m saying this as it’s out there and has been published and on radio and in the courts of Dublin)
This fund is only going to keep the likes of them in full time employment with their holiday homes and enabling them to be able to hop on any plane at a short notice and stay in the best hotels.
Is this what you want done with any funds that are due to you?
I asked at Barnardos this morning as to which papers published the proposed consultation proposal, statutory trust fund. I was told it was in the Independent and some limerick paper.
Dear All,
There seems to be some confusion?
Paddydoyle.com and the ShameOfIreland are seperate.
When People on Paddydoyle.com talk about Representation it is a legitmate discusion.
I have been in private conversation via email today and respect their confidentiality;
However; for the process of clarification; part of my reply is below!
“In relation to the ShameOfIreland and the fact that Members of Shame Of Ireland have nominated 2 People to act as epresentatives for the Group; does not make them leaders?
The Mandate that they will be given, has not been decided?
They have not been voted for yet?
Nominations are still open.
If you wish to nominate a Representative, and have an input into the Mandate of that “Spokesperson” or Spokes People; you will be very welcome if you Join?
With ShameOfIreland any issues that Representatives bring to the Group can be voted on within the Group easily.
This is why I have chosen this vehicle to try and bring Democracy, Inclusion and Transparency to Survivors.
Whoever the Members choose will only have a mandate of 19 people at the moment!
WE need you to join; WE value your opinion!
The Process has been for Representation
Member nominate a person
I Canvas the Person
Members Accepts Nomination
Mandate is developed
Nominees agree to the Mandate
Then we vote!
Please Join US and become part of the process and give YOUR chosen Representative YOUR manadate.
Unless you are happy with the Government appointed Representatives; on Government Salaries; Represnting you the way the Government wants them to?
I suspect you are not happy with this or we would not be having this dialog.
Regards Rob”
If anyone wishes to discus the way that the ShameOfIreland will work or wants to suggest the way it should work.
I am more than willing to corespond privately, and discreetly and confidentially post my response on this site. I am sure that there are a number of you that have Questions?
As to where have I been for the last 10 Years, the answer to that is looking after my wife (who was in the Industrial School, St Finbarrs).
Why have I suddenly appeared to become interested?
When the talk first emerged about “additional Compensation” my wifes mental health started to suffer; I tried to get information from anyone I could including the so called “Representatives” of Survivors.
They ignored me; and Brian Cowen and Mary Coughlan ignored my letters and emails.
I have been involved with various “Activists” over the Past year; and whitnessed how the Passion WE ALL feel about this can lead to division; the purpose off the Shame Of Ireland is:
Democracy; Inclusion and Transparency.
In answer to the Statement
“Ask not what people can do for you, but what can you do for yourselves”
Made by May and Kath.
I agree strongly!
The “Shame Of Ireland” is meant to be a vehicle to empower everyone; if everyone get involved we can empower each other!
Become more Proactive and Speak with ONE VOICE; Through a Mandated Spokes Person – Representative, – or what ever you want to call it.
If you have any Questions regarding the way the ShameOfIrelad is working.
email me at
rob.northall@ntlworld.com
I am more than willing to corespond privately, and discreetly and confidentially post my response on this site.
Regard Rob
Hi Rob/Paddy,
I would be very greatful if you would explain to me how you will help if getting anywhere with this petition? as I’m sure your aware that most, if not all survivors want what is rightfully theirs. Proper compensation.
Forgive me for sounding jubious here, but as you can imagine the experience I’ve had with “Groups” has not been a positive one.
I have one question? if elected to represent us, does that mean you will be asking for funds to be dispersed?
Be greatfull any feedback. Thanks Rob/Paddy.
Anne.
i understand what it is you are trying to do here rob .more power to you .i cant say i cud cope with it myself . somthing has to be done .
Anne. I can only speak for myself and say that I’m not seeking to speak on behalf on anyone unless mandated to do so by a sizeable number of people who to date have been feeling left down and isolated by the current lot of so called survivors representatives. As for as I’m concerned, if I was given the job of speaking on behalf of people abused while in institutional care, I would endeavour to do what people wanted and not what I wanted. Paddy.
hi paddy looking at reeling in the years last night my favorite song bridge over troubled waters SAIL ON SILVER GIRI SAIL ON BY YOUR TIME HAS COME TO SHINE ALL YOUR DREAMS ARE ON THE WAY i sure hope so paddy
To Dead man walking; Will YOU Join the “Shame Of Ireland”? at the monent WE are the “Shame Of Ireland”. It should be the Guilty, Politicians, Unelected Representatives, and the “UnHoly See” They are the real “Shame Of Ireland”
Dear Anne;
The petition on
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
Is open to the “WHOLE WORLD AT LARGE” I have been sending 15 to 20 emails a day trying to get support.
This petition is NOT about the Money this is about getting a Mandate for ALL the Survivors from th WORLD AT LARGE!
If you share out this pot of money it will not ammount to much; each!
ADD the Playing fields and property and get the Government to do rheir JOB, and keeping their promise to “sieze the assets and oversea assets of C.O.R.I.”.
NOW you are talking MONEY!
As for what I or Paddy are going to do about insisting that the money from the Trust Fund is distributed; That decision is for YOU to make?
Join the “Shame Of Ireland” and VOTE!
PROMOTE the Petition at
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
Get world Opinion on our side?
(Reach for the Stars; we might just get to the Moon)
I have a Poster that I have been Sending to Irish Clubs; if you want a copy email me.
rob.northall@ntlworld.com
Below are the Draft AIMS and OBJECTIVES of
The “Shame Of Ireland”
THEY WILL BE VOTED ON IN THE NEXT WEEK BY THE MEMBERS!
“To represent views and coordinate those who feel that the Residential Redress Board was unconstitutional and the Indemnity offered to the Religious Congregations of Ireland was Illegal.
This Group Membership is mainly drawn on form the Survivors of the Industrial School System, Their Partners, Children and Grand Children.
Main Aim
To Lobby the Irish Government to undo the “Great Injustice” it has done in its dealings with the Congregations of Religious Ireland C.O.R.I.
Objectives
Dissolution of the Statutory Trust Fund on the Grounds that it is Iniquitous.
Prosecution of the Abusers.
Dissolution of the Diplomatic Immunity of the Holy See.
Fair and Reasonable Compensation for the Victims of Abuse Above and beyond the Redress Board.
The Statutory Trust Fund should be dissolved and the Money Paid to the Victims.”
IF YOU AGREE WITH THESE?
JOIN!
email ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
For an invitation to Join!
Where you can Add to or Modify these and put them to the vote of the Members.
Democracy, Inclusion; and Trasparency.
Post Script to Anne,
You addressed you post to Paddy and Myself?
I am not a Representative of the “Shame Of Ireland”; Nor have been Nominated!
I can’t see how I can be a Representative; as it would do the cause NO Good; I am nothing if not a good listener; hopefully the Draft AIMS and OBJECTIVE of the “Shame Of Ireland” are testament to that?
If I were to be Nominated and become a Representative; SOME would SAY; “It’s only a vehicle for self promotion”.
This would do the “Cause” no good and detract from US ALL working together!
Regards Rob
To Ron
Re your item of 11/8/10 16.24
(MEMBERS OF SHAME OF IRELAND 2 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN NOMINATED TO ACT AS REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE GROUP . THIS DOES NOT MAKE THEM LEADERS .
This is exately how all the others groups started . Who will pay the expences when the English representative has to travel? Who will pay for all the phone call you will have to make? I notice the Kate O Malley is already asking other people to make the phone call to Joe Duffy. As the people on this site are on the Internet the only have to Email the Dept of Education And give there opinion as to what will happen to the Fund As for that Maureen who told me to go out and vote. This is the same attitude we had from the group leaders and the Religious Orders May Cornish -Henderson
Rob
It’s impossible to get into your Yahoo account. I’m giving up.
Is there not an easier way to cast a vote as I have ten votes sitting right here for a MANDATE and I can’t get them posted
May
You will notice when there are elections all over the world, the people have to get out and vote for the person/s they want to stand up and speak for them. There is a word for this I’m sure Paddy Doyle would know that word or indeed Kathleen O’Malley. They might enlighten me. In the meantime May., people are NOT NOT NOT .VOTING…..re the FUND, they are asked to write or call in with what they would like to see done with the FUND. So go ahead and write in.
The VOTE IS FOR A MANDATE………..
For Paddy Doyle and Kathleen O’Malley to stand up and speak up for the people who are not part of any group, groups I might add which do NOT NOT have a MANDATE
Paddy Doyle or Kathleen O”Malley might again enlighten me on this word I can’t quite put my finger on
So go out May and Vote and Vote OFTEN as they say out here in the real world
May,
Who paid for the expenses for the Demonstration you went on?
Who is paying for my telephone, and internet connection, cost of postage, (signed for to Brian Cowen is around £6; for him to ignore).
Who is going to pay Paddy’s Travel Expenses?
Who is going to pay for Kathleen O’Malley to travel; I am sure they thought about that before they accepted the Nomination?
I believe Kate is not available to comment for herself at the moment; and as for asking someone to contact Joe Duffy. Because she didn’t have his contact details to hand and she has had contact in the past.
If WE can’t support each other by mucking in together we are all lost! (Oh by the way! I sent him an email).
If you are concerned about the direction that the “Shame Of Ireland” will take?
I suggest you join?
As a member you can put up a poll to disband it and vote democratically.
You will have free and easy access to all the membership and can persuade them of your point of view.
You can also add to or change the AIMS and OBJECTIVES; Democratically.
You can also ensure by being vigilant that we don’t go the same way as the other groups.
You can change nothing from the outside?
I understand you are sceptical and my own Father says that I am the biggest cynic he knows!
But to do nothing is not an option; I have actually sat on this Idea for a number of months because of the divisions between Survivors.
One thing I am sure about is the character of Paddy Doyle; a lesser man would not have let you post a suggestion that he could become corrupt!
Once again I take my hat off to you Paddy!
God willing I will one day shake you by the hand!
I think you are a Bigger man than Me!
Hi Rob
I agree with Maureen’s comments, Yahoo isn’t a very user friendly site, unlike http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory which is very easy to use,I believe this is the reason for the low membership count of 19 (4 of which are my family) compared with the petition poll which stands at 68 at the moment, is it too late to change course?
Regards Kay
Maureen,
Email
rob.northall@ntlworld.com
or
ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
I will send you a link when you click on the link you have to set up a Yahoo ID
Give them as little info as it takes you to get through the process.
This I have been advised is no more difficult than setting up a Facebook Acount of similar
Once you have done that it is easy!
If you are in difficult and in the UK email your phone number I will ring you and talk you through.
I hope that you have got the 10 to vote on
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
It could really do with a lot more; they will need to use seperate email accounts to vote on petitions.ie
Hope this helps
Regards Rob
Just for the record my website, http://www.paddydoyle.com has been going for over ten years – May and many others who have been in touch with me over those years know that. They also know that not once in that time have I received or sought a single penny from any source at all. That is how things will remain. I could have landed a load of money but I’ve refused it as I value the independence this site give me and those who write to it, the independence that no other website claiming to representing ‘survivors of abuse’ gives them. I’ve never claimed to represent anyone, indeed at every meeting I’ve attended with government of senior Civil Servants, I’ve always declared my independence. The only time I’ve ever spoken on behalf of anyone was when they specifically asked me to do so. I trust that makes my position clear May and to any others who might think I’m making a fortune out of this website. Believe me it’s hard work and if anyone wants to take it over then they’re welcome to it. Paddy.
I tend to agree with you Kay. Perhaps people should consider signing both both petitions assuming they want to. Paddy.
Regarding the nomination of Paddy and Kate to represent the survivors .It must be pointed out that anyone living outside of Ireland will find it financially crippling to do a meaningful job , there are travel cost, hotels, stationery, phone costs,ect. I know from personal experience, living in England and travelling to Ireland numerous times over the last ten years. The costs can be quite enormous. Has anyone told Kate that she will have to meet the costs out of her own pocket. May and myself have met all our own cost over the last ten years , nobody has worked harder then her over the criminal convictions. When we had the demonstration in London she sent out 550 letters as well as writing to every government official many times over
Hi Kay,
Petitions.ie is in the public domain and only offer a one choice vote.
Great for petitions!
Yahoo offers automatic communication between ALL Members of the Group. Easy to set up VOTES with multiple answer options!
The only difficulty that I am aware of is the fact that a yahoo ID is required and this is the stumbling block.
The Join “Shame Of Ireland” link takes you to a Yahoo login page; whre you have to create a Yahoo ID before you can proceed.
I hope this addresses your Question if not email me and I will try and create clearer instructions?
It is never to late to change; but I can’t find a medium that will offer what I feel the GRoup needs;
and I’m not clever enough to start a site from scratch!
Hope this helps?
Regards
Rob
Paddy
I have used your web site for the last 10 years and have been glad to do so.I value the fact that you are the one Person who has kept your Independence and integrety.
Paddy I never at any time suggested anyone on this site was corrupt.
To answer Rons question
Anything I have done was to have the Convictions imposed on innocent children expunged
The Demonstration I set up with my friends Ron and Kath out side the Irish Embassy in England in 2003 we paid for ourselves. Tt was to have these convictions expunged . When I traveled to Ireland to demonstrate in Kildare St I paid for myself. All the Letters I sent to the T.Ds in Ireland I paid forthe postage myself.
All the calls to Ireland I paid On my B T landline at top rate.
I will not sign to another group as soon as I did in the past I classed as a memember of that group.
Paddy Keep well Regards may
Rob, I have to agree with Kay and Maureen. I too know of people who would join shame of Ireland if only they didn’t have to make a yahoo id and e-mail. They really don’t want to be in yahoo.
Hi. Paddy.
I have set up a E Mail address.
irishsurvivors@hotmail.com
I would like survivors and their supporters here in the UK to send their objections against the proposed trust fund to the E mail address.
I will take these messages by hand and deliver them to the Irish Embassy in London.
Plase address to Ambassador Bobby McDonagh.
Please keep messages brief and to the point and of course polite.
This will (I hope) encourage the Ambassador to forward our objections against the proposed fund to the Irish Prime Minister.
Thanks.
Paul Nolan.
Hi paddy,
I know we alway’s haven’t met eye to eye on everything..there’s been so much confusion and stress with it all but I must say you have kept independent and worked hard and I admire you so much for that with all you’ve been through and put up with. In fact I have often thought to myself if I was you I would have packed up long ago. But you didn’t, and I thankyou for that, regardless of our differences.
I’m not sure now I want to be part of any group or have representation so I will continue to represent myself.
I hope everyone will get what they rightfully deserve and I somehow think we will..I don’t think The Government would want to go down in History as stripping Survivors of their rights, dignity, opinions and the absolute correct amount of compensation. The world is still watching and how this is handled now will be judged.
Most survivors need help in many way’s. This shouldn’t be an issue. Most people spent many yrs in them places and didn’t stand a chance to make anything of themselves in the future. Now there is so many sufferring from even basic needs like housing issues and debts that the Government should help immediately and without delay.
It is so cruel and inhuman to treat us this way. If I was part of the government I would want to do what’s right. Morally right and just. I could not and would not hold my head high if I had thousands of survivors that were let down so badly by the state and Religious I would want to do all I can?!? this is where so many of us…and others cannot comprehend what is happening!!!
God is good. I beleive there will be some sort of justiced. Theres no other way.No where for the Government to hide.
Regards all..
Anne
Hi everyone!
The above link will give you all the information that you need if you want to attend the demonstration against the Popes visit to the UK.
Regards Rob
http://www.protest-the-pope.org.uk/
This is the link!
Do you ever get the idea I am not very good at this technology thing? LOL!
Hi Paul
I have lodged my opposition to the trust fund at irishsurvivors@hotmail.com and hope others living in the UK will take you up on your generous offer to deliver petition by hand to the Irish Embassy.
Hi to all
please keep the votes coming in at http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory we have 80 votes at this moment in time – this petition is open to all who wish to support survivors in their/our fight for justice.
Regards Kay
I just typed Statutory Trust Fund into a search engine; was very disappointed by finding 2 results; on the positive side one was for her; and the other was petitions.ie.
has anyone else had the same experience?
Are we few the only people discussing this?
Hi. All.
irishsurvivors@hotmail.com I have only got two messages regarding the trust fund.
I think it would be best to open the protest to all survivors and their supporters anywhere. I am worried i will not get enough objections against the fund before the 27th.
Please forward your objections ASAP.
Thanks.
Paul.
Ps: I have also contacted national newspapers in the UK, alerting them to the unpoplar trust fund.
Hi Paul,
I have sent you an email to
irishsurvivors@hotmail.com
for you to deliver to the Irish Ambassador in London.
I hope others do the same?
The big thing on my mind is the Vote against the Trust Fund on
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
88 Votes so far? But things ar picking up!
Regards Rob
There seems to be some confusion; I have posted this on the new Facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=142322029133613&v=wall&story_fbid=142793132419836#!/group.php?gid=142322029133613&v=wall
The vote on petitions.ie is ONLY to stop the Trust Fund.
Is open to the WORLD at large for the WORLD to tell the Irish Government to listen to Survivors.
If it was so sinister would Nora Brennan have signed it?
…Or publicised it to Austrailia?
I am putting Shame of Ireland on the back burner and concentrating all my efforts on the petition!
I hope you can do the same?
Promote the Vote!
I have sent hundreds of email all over the World; will you do the same?
Hi Paul, Have done the same as Rob, and thank’s for this opportunity . Your help in getting these message’s and email’s to the Ambassador in London, much appreciated.
Regard’s Jimmy.
Well done James I hope EVERYONE gives Paul a big pile of paperwork for the Irish embassy to work through!
Hi. All.
Thanks for your welcome comments, its the least i can do.
PLEASE PLEASE keep your objections coming, time is running out.
I have loads of A4 and ink.
Paul Nolan.
Paul, Hope you have to hire a truck!
Anything that disrupts their undemocratic handling of this matter; must do good!
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
92 votes
We need to get a lot more; if we can point he Government at this??
Anyone got any ideas??
For those of you that are thinking of Protesting the Pope in London
http://www.met.police.uk/events/index.htm
Will tell you if it is a legal March; wouldn’t want to see anyone get locked up for such a good cause?
Dear all,
I have just sent a complaint to the Charities Commission
Re: – The Federation of Irish Societies reg no: 1092268
Nature of Complaint:
I have contacted this charity and their membes about a vote on the Trust/Statutory Fund in Ireland.
They have failed on the following grounds
serious harm to beneficiaries and, in particular, vulnerable beneficiaries;
They are not properly representing the views of the Survivors of the Industrial School System!
charities deliberately being used for significant private advantage;
The Private advantage is for the benefit of the Irish Government!
where a charity’s independence is seriously called into question;
Thier funding is from the Irish Government and they are following direction from them without challenging it!
serious non-compliance in a charity that damages or has the potential to damage its reputation and/or the reputation of charities generally; and
serious non-compliance in a charity which, left unchecked, could damage public trust and confidence in the Charity Commission as an effective regulator.
All of the above!
I trust the Attached file will be suficient?
Regards Rob Northall
________________________________________
From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 15 August 2010 14:04
To: ‘dee.doocey@london.gov.uk’
Cc: ‘info@irishsocieties.org’; ‘rhiannon.macdonald@standard.co.uk’
Subject: When is Consultation NOT Consultation? When is Representation NOT Representation? The Answer is NOW!
Dear Dee Doocey
Your Article on the Home Page of the Federation Of Irish Societies
http://www.irishsocieties.org/
Was most enlightening; in as much as “the population of Irish in London is at least 500,000”.
You may or may not be aware that the Irish Government is going through a consultation process over the Statutory Fund;
This has only been announced in The (Irish) Independent and another News Paper only published in Limerick
Both of these News Papers are only published in Southern Ireland!
The Survivors of the Irish Industrial Schools are all over the World
Many live in the UK
The awareness of this “Consultation” Process is very poor; Just type “Statutory Fund” into any search engine?
I have contacted the Federation Of Irish Societies via email as I believe that Many of the survivors do not want this Fund established?
I was very disappointed to see
http://www.irishsocieties.org/tools/archive/survivors_consultation_jul10
The Federation of Irish Societies claims that “FIS exists to represent and develop our members and our community”; when it comes to Survivors they area failing!
The above information posted on their website along with their members blind acceptance of the Governments right to impose its will on the “Survivors”; as an example I cite their Coventry branch and the recent Poll they issued to Survivors.
It should be easy for you to ignore this email as I have been ignored by all of the media in my attempts to get them to inform the Irish population in the UK of the existence of this “Consultation” Process!
There is a petition on
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
Which I have also been promoting; it would nice if you would sign it?
Congratulations on your appointment; I hope that you are able to do more for the Irish Community.
Yours sincerely
Rob Northall
Dear all,
I have just sent a complaint to the Charities Commission
Re: – The Federation of Irish Societies reg no: 1092268
Nature of Complaint:
I have contacted this charity and their membes about a vote on the Trust/Statutory Fund in Ireland.
They have failed on the following grounds
serious harm to beneficiaries and, in particular, vulnerable beneficiaries;
They are not properly representing the views of the Survivors of the Industrial School System!
charities deliberately being used for significant private advantage;
The Private advantage is for the benefit of the Irish Government!
where a charity’s independence is seriously called into question;
Thier funding is from the Irish Government and they are following direction from them without challenging it!
serious non-compliance in a charity that damages or has the potential to damage its reputation and/or the reputation of charities generally; and
serious non-compliance in a charity which, left unchecked, could damage public trust and confidence in the Charity Commission as an effective regulator.
All of the above!
I trust the Attached file will be suficient?
Regards Rob Northall
Can anyone tell me what this ‘Justice’ that you want actally involves?
If it’s money, what is the money for?
Surely bad things happen to many people in childhood and that’s what all the agencies/psychologists are paid (usually by the NHS) to deal with.
Other than that you have to learn to heal yourself.
It’s been in all the papers, on the tv and books have been writen. Time to get over it don’t you think?
Dear Lj; You just need to get over yourself;
WORD FAIL ME!!!
OH MY GOD
I can’t believe that I was that polite!!!
Dear Lj, would you like to step out from behind your user name?
And explain yourself?
LJ
This has nothing to do with MONEY. It’s what is rightfully due to people who suffered at the hands of the religious in Ireland. If you have read all the books, the papers, looked at the TV you would know what the Religious did to these people. If you go back to 2002 you will see what the Minister who was leaving his job at 5.p.m. that particular day,signed off to the religious. It could have been 30 pieces of silver. People like yourself still remember that deal don’t you? The 30 pieces of silver way back then and if you don’t check it out in the bible, that book I’m sure you have also read
lj tell me have you spent 14 yrs of ur childhood in one of those places . i doubt very much you have .id say the only thing you ever had to worry about as a child was whether your mammy sucked the dummy before sticking it in your gob . people like your self should avail of the education fund and do a history course .
Lj
The ‘justice’ survivors want is for all monies given by the religious orders for ‘survivors of Institutional abuse’ to be paid directly to the survivors and not placed into a trust fund (begging bowl) for unscrupulous groups to dole out as they deem fit and to feather their own nests.
Many survivors suffered physical injuries as well as emotional injury, resulting in major surgery for some, with a life time of pain and loss of earnings, how does a psychologist fix this?
Re-your comment “what is the money for” survivors will choose to spend their compensation however they wish! and it is quite frankly no concern of yours!!!
Please keep the votes coming in at
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
you can also email your objections to proposed trust fund to Paul who will deliver by hand to The Irish Embassy in London irishsurvivors@hotmail.com
Regards Kay
I think you’ve had your “15 minutes of fame”. That’s it – you had your say. Take the diatribe off to some other side. Slán. Paddy
Paddy
To whom is this post August 19th, 2010 @21.40
addressed to? Is it that person with the two initials LJ..
Copy and and paste the email Phil and send it to me. I’ll see if I can then answer your question. Paddy.
So Lj,
Because it has been in the papers, on tv and books writen, victims should just ‘get over it’? How naive of you to think it could be that easy. How cold hearted of you to say such. I’m guessing you are not a victim. Justice would be to see the people responsible before the courts.
Maybe you would like us to pretend the abuse never happened.??
Lj doesn’t understand!
It is not about the money!!
Share the Trust Fund out it is mere pennies!
It is about respect!
Being appreciated and consulted!
Not Ignored and Diminished ANY more!
We are important! We Count!
One thing I do know and that is if we cannot put our differences away and make an internet petition work when we ALL AGREE!
“Dissolve the Trust Fund and Pay the Money out”
If we cannot put our differences away and make a success of this!
The government don’t have to fight us!
We can carry on fighting amongst ourselves and they WIN by default.
“Everything else is just Distraction”
We should be focussing on the common cause!
If we don’t Lj will never understand!!!
When they are listening then we can sort out the rest of it; until they are listening we can do nothing but disagree with each other?
That is DISTRACTION.
I urge you ALL sign the petition at
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
This is a direct link as it is slipping down the list through lack of support!
We have to decide whose side are we on OURS or the Governments?
I have suspended work on the “Shame Of Ireland” to focus on this over 500 emails and still only 117 votes.
If you want to disagree with the Shame Of Ireland after this the we can talk?
LET US ALL SUPPRORT EACH OTHER!!!!!
Paul want YOU and the rest of the Survivors to send him an email to print out an take to the Irish Embassy for the Attention of the Irish Ambassador!
I have done my bit to support him; lets not make him look foolish?
emails to ‘irishsurvivors@hotmail.com’
F.AO. The Irish Ambassador Bobby McDonagh
PLEASE! Don’t make me beg??
I am still working very hard on the Petition @ petitions.ie
I hope we all are??????
Your Friend Rob
A thought about Lj?
“He who wrestles with us strengthens our nerves and sharpens our skill. Our antagonist is our helper.” – Edmund Burke
For those of you who want to help promote the Petition @ Petitions.ie
This is what I am doing!
Join a Facebook Group or Cause; there are many dormant ones relating to our “cause”. Their combined membership runs to around 6,000+ may be more.
Send a friends request to each member!
Add a personal message; the one I use is below:
“DID YOUR VOTE GET COUNTED?
When you vote at petitions.ie you will be sent a confirmation email to the email account you supplied; your vote will not count until you click this link. Make sure you check your Junk email Folder?
Revisit the site and check your name is there?
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
Regards
rob.northall@ntlworld.com”
(Copy and paste from note pad) use your own email address!
You may provoke a response; my friends list is growing quickly!
When you change your profile they get an update!
When you type what’s on your mind they get an update!
It is mass communication!
Check the petitions’ page to see if you are having an impact???
If you cant find a cause send me a friends message then look at my causes and groups I can do the all!
Post the Cause you are working on here so we don’t waste our time!
Does beebo work the same?
Anyone on alliance.org forum you can PM there!
Maybe we can wake some up!!
LJ, DOES THAT STAND FOR “LACKING JUDGEMENT”?
FOR YOUR INFORMATION, JUSTICE, AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED, WOULD BE IN SEEING THE MANY EVIL AND NASTY CLERGY AMONG THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, WHO INFLICTED SO MUCH ABUSE AND DAMAGE DOWN THE YEAR’S ON THE CHILDREN IN THEIR CARE, BEING BROUGHT TO COURT AND CHARGED WITH THEIR DISGUSTING CRIME’S. TO BE EXPOSED, AND PUNISHED, AND MADE TO PAY FOR THEIR WICKED WAY’S.
THERE ARE QUITE A FEW QUESTION’S I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERED BY THE R/C CHURCH, LIKE , WHAT PIECE OF LOWLIFE DESIGNED AND MADE THE MANY TYPE’S OF LEATHER STRAP’S THEY USED TO BEAT MANY CHILDREN, WITHIN INCH’S OF THEIR SAD LIVE’S? IT IS SO HARD TO IMAGINE THAT SOME BASKET, WEARING THE WHITE COLLAR , WENT TO SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH THAT IDEA , ON BEHALF OF HIS RELIGION.
ANOTHER QUESTION, WHY AT CONFESSION, WOULD A PRIEST TELL ME TO GO OUT AND SAY MY PENANCE, AND ALSO PRAY FOR A PAEDOPHILE BROTHER WHO WAS ABUSING AND RAPING ME? AFTER I HAD ASKED HIM TO HAVE A WORD WITH THAT BROTHER TO LEAVE ME ALONE! THE PRIEST SAID, WE KNOW HE IS A BAD MAN, BUT OUR VOW’S WILL NOT ALLOW US TO INTERFER, WE MUST PRAY FOR HIS SALVATION! I WAS 12 YEAR OLD, BEING TOLD TO PRAY FOR MY ABUSER!
THE RYAN , MURPHY, AND OTHER REPORT’S, WERE RESPONCIBLE FOR THE RELIGIOUS IN IRELAND FINALLY ADDMITTING THEIR ABUSE, AND APOLIGIZING,AND MAKING CONTRIBUTION’S OF LAND, PROPERTY, AND CASH, BY WAY OF ADDRESSING THE DAMAGE CAUSED TO SO MANY CHILDREN, THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOW LUCKY TO BE ALIVE, BUT NOW IN OUR ELDER YEAR’S.
NOW , IT SEEM’S THE GOVERNMENT , WANT TO ABUSE US ALL OVER AGAIN, BY DENYING US THE REDRESS THE RELIGIOUS WISH US TO HAVE, IN THEIR PROPOSAL TO SET UP A TRUST FUND, WHICH NO SURVIVOR WANT’S, AND THEIR REFUSAL TO ALLOW US TO HAVE A VOICE ON THE MATTER, BY WAY OF A BALLOT.
MY FEAR IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT WANT ACCESS TO THESE CONTRIBUTION’S , TO BAIL OUT THE SORRY STATE THEY HAVE THEIR COUNTRY IN,AS INDICATED IN THEIR PLAN’S TO BUILD A CHILDREN’S HOSPITAL , USING THIS MONEY INTENDED FOR SURVIVOR’S.
I FOR ONE, WOULD NOT OBJECT TO SOME OF THE FUND’S GOING TOWARD’S THE HOSPITAL PROJECT, IF AT THE SAME TIME THE ENTIRE CONTRIBUTION’S FROM THE RELIGIOUS WERE CONVERTED TO HARD CASH, AND SHARED OUT BETWEEN ALL WHO IT WAS INTENDED FOR, AND THAT WAY EVERYONE WOULD RECEIVE A BIT MORE THAN MERE PENNIE’S!
LJ, LIKE SO MANY OF FELLOW SURVIVOR’S, OUR CRAP AND SAD LIVE’S TAXED US MANY MANY WAY’S, AND WE HAVE FAMILY’S, SO IT’S NO LIE’S WHEN I SAY THAT IF THE CONTRIBUTION’S WERE SHARED OUT AS INTENDED BY THE RELIGIOUS, WE WOULD BE ALL IN A POSITION TO REDRESS OUR CHILDREN, AND PERHAP’S REPAIR AREA’S WHERE WE FAILED THEM, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE KNEW NO BETTER.
GREED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, BEING SHORTCHANGED, AND FURTHER ABUSED, IS WITHOUT DOUBT WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT , IN MY MIND ANYWAY. REDRESS BOARD WAS ILLEGAL, GAGGING ORDER’S THE SAME, AND LIKE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, ALL MAN MADE RULE’S, LIKE THE BASKET’S WHO MADE AND USED THOSE BLACK LEATHER STRAP’S.
MAYBE LJ MEAN’S “LONELY JESUIT!
REGARD’S JIMMY.
I Think Jimmy has hit the nail on the head and why we are all so aggrieved is that the Government put the Cart before the Horse; ie the Redress Board and the Indemnity Deal before the Ryan Report; The Fact that the Church Claimed Diplomatic immunity for the both th Ryan Commission and the Murphy Commission is also another Gigantic issue; compounded by the fact that the Government allowed them to!
If we can get a strong enough petition; they will have to revisit things they thought were over; Like the Illegal Indemnity deal.
A bankrupt C.O.R.I. would be a start – Compensation and Justice in one fell swoop!!
We all need to promote the petition
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
So I’m listening to Joe Duffy today, with the voting for the new President of Ireland next year. My thoughts went back to the last time Ireland voted for their new President and I remembered Ms.Christine Buckley went in the run but their you are. So I “Googled” Christine Buckley for president and look what I found
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Vote-Christine-Buckley-for-European-Volunteer-of-Year/217100075791
Now the reason why I find this absolutely AMAZING, is that the PEOPLE Ms.BUCKLEY purports to represent as their Group Leader, do NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A WEBSITE. That’s right, with all the money the Irish Government has handed out to Ms.Buckley and the like there still are NO WEBSITES. We all come to Paddy Doyle’s site to get any news.
Now, I’m also wondering How can the Department of Education have talks with any of these So Called “UNMANDATED” Group Leaders, in this day and age when they have NOT got the tools to communicate with their members.
Thought for the day
by Phil
I do not need further education,my commom sense has seen me through many a dilemma,I have never availed of the education fund thus far but could have done with Financial help and support,,,yes I could,unfortunately I lost faith in group meetings a long time ago.It is near impossibe for so called group leaders to express the needs of evey person they claim to represent.Many people were asked to sign their name when they attended meetings regarding the redress scheme,,I imagine those lists of names/figures are what are being presented as being affilliated with different groups.I have attended no group meeting for 4 years and in that time I have recieved perhaps 4 letters,I knew nothing of this Statutory fund until recently and the offers of Contibutions to survivors should mean exactly that,the money is being offered to the survivors and none other than survivors should be empowered to decide how they would like this distributed.I believe that every survivor should have been awarded the highest award as has been seen in some High Court cases. As for JL I would’nt waste my energy debating with him/her,we have far more pressing matters to deal with. I hope you and the family are very well Paddy. Slan for now.
Anna is right
“All else is distraction”
We need to take the Petition WORLD WIDE!
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
I am still working hard at this I hope WE all are?
Regards Rob
For those of you on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=147073735313917&v=wall#/group.php?gid=147073735313917&v=info
Promoting the petition on Facebook
From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 25 August 2010 09:26
To: ‘wrightstuff@five.tv’; ‘Pollard, Chris’; ‘chris.evans@bbc.co.uk’; ‘lettersed@irishtimes.com’; ‘geordie.greig@standard.co.uk’; ‘dtnews@telegraph.co.uk’; ‘culture@guardian.co.uk’; ‘politics@guardian.co.uk’; ‘panorama@bbc.co.uk’; ‘thismorning@itv.com’; ‘Todaypk@rte.ie’; ‘joe@rte.ie’; ‘newseditor@independent.co.uk’; ‘hnews@independent.ie’; ‘bbcbreakfast@bbc.co.uk’; ‘wales.today@bbc.co.uk’; ‘Whitehead, Nicholas’; ‘itvplanning@itn.co.uk’; ‘c4home@itn.co.uk’; ‘jeremy.vine@bbc.co.uk’; ‘paddy.murray@sundayworld.com’; ‘contact@richarddawkins.net’; ‘frontline@rte.ie’; ‘newsdesk@rte.ie’; ‘breakfastplanning@bbc.co.uk’
Subject: This is the world we live! Sad but true!
Watched the Channel 5 News in the UK last night!
Put a Cat in a wheelie Bin thousands join a facebook group to protest!
(I am not condoning ill treatment of animals)
Put a petition on the internet to get Justice for Survivors of the Industrial School System and struggle to get any Votes??
Is this because the people this petition is there to help are mainly Elderly and they Have difficulty with I.T.
Or is it because the Media Just doesn’t care? Type “Statutory Trust Fund” into any search engine?
See what results you get?
Now try typing “Cat in Wheelie Bin”
no surprises there rob …… truth is our time for justice seems hopeless ….was bad enuff before and unbearable now ….
dead man walking take heart! Have you signed the Petition
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
We need to get the WORLD to sign this: It will give everyone a mandate to be heard! If we can get a strong enough petition; they will have to revisit things they thought were over; Like the Illegal Indemnity deal.
A bancrupt C.O.R.I. would be a start – Compensation and Justice in one fell swoop!!
When you vote at petitions.ie you will be sent a confirmation email to the email account you supplied; your vote will not count until you click this link. Make sure you check your Junk email Folder?
Revisit the site and check your name is there?
Regards Rob
There is also a new Group on facebook! You can do a lot whilst at your computer!
Take heart!
Your Friend Rob
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=128&post=290&uid=147073735313917#/group.php?gid=147073735313917&v=info
at least we should get an extension ! where as you said are the press who used our stories to make profits !! ive signed the petition and thanks again for your work on this
Thank you for signing my friend; I hope you havethe opporninity to encourage other?
I have made a complaint to the BBC about the lack of coverage inthe media about this!
The petition runs till the end of September with great deal of effort we can still do it without them!!!!!!
Your
Friend
Rob
“He who is not my Enemy is my Friend”
Most of the Enemy wear Black and Purple Dresses, the others are Politicians, and thieir faces are well known!!
would anyone have a clue what happened the site on facebook went/?
Hi Liz, Sharons Page has ben taken down! I do not know why? Search “The Shame Of Ireland” on Facebook?
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=147073735313917&v=wall#/group.php?gid=147073735313917&v=info
She is redirecting everyone there!
Regards Rob.
Sharon can now be found on “The Shame Of Ireland” on Facebook!
IMPORTANT!!! IMPORTANT!!!
For those of you that live in and around Dublin
There is a Planned Picket of the
Papal Nuncios House
Navan Rd
On SATURDAY 28th AUGUST!!!!!!
Form 2pm till 4pm
For further information and to confirm attendance contact
Kevin@religiousabusetruth@gmail.com
I apologise that I have only found out about the detail Today!!!
Rob, just so you know. When you make up the link to facebook, there is and “!” mark coming into the link just after “wall#”. If that ! mark is left in, the link will not work. I’ve removed it and the link works. Paddy.
Thanks Rob… and Thanks to you Paddy for this site.
i voted against the trust fund, and also am happy to have Kathleen O’Malley and Paddy Doyle represent the survivors.
my uncle is a security guard and his licence is needing to be renewed or he will be out of work. We asked the trust fund for help but was told that they will help IF it gets a person back to work but not to KEEP a person in work.
Why should survivors who have been through enough have to go begging for help only to be told no. Do you not think they have suffered enough?
i know Kathleen O’Malley and i KNOW she will give the survivors a strong voice, she will do her best to help the survivors.
i’ve watched my mother as she has had to relive the horrors of what happened to her. She is an amazing strong woman whom i am very proud of and i want to know she has someone like Kathleen O’Malley giving her a voice, knowing she will do the best she can for ALL of the survivors!!!
Facebook is imperfect!
But it will do for now;
Until I can research cheap hosting with the features I need for Democracy; Instant membership voting; No Leadership! Just empowered people with a Spokesperson or two or three…… ALL Mandated!!!!!!!
This is my Dream! I have been working hard to make it REAL!
Inspite of my Personal circumstances.
Martin Luther King said it Once!
But I to have a DREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!
If we can get away from what devides us!
And the disapppointment of the Past “Representation” WE can build on this!
It is time to roll up our shirt sleeves!
There is work to be done!!!
Your
Friend
Rob
Jackie,
if you are on facebook look up “The Shame Of Ireland”
We wear our badge with pride!
Join us and WE can change things!
It is a numbers thing!
together we are STRONGER!
Hi Paddy, well done for raising the issue of the Vaccine Trial’s, which i read about in today’s Independent.It is indeed an area that merit’s investigating, and exposing, and further proof of the abuse the religious of Ireland allowed to be inflicted on the Children in their care.
The record of the R/C/Church ,in Ireland, highlighted down the year’s by the Ryan, Murphy, and various other report’s, clearly indicates the need for People intending to travel to the UK for the Pope’s visit, to stop in their track’s , and ask themselves, do they really want to patronise an outfit from Rome, that is , without doubt, responsible for Thousand’s of Children’s Abuse,not only in Ireland ,but throughout the world?
Sexual, Physical,and Mental Damage, earning money from allowing Vaccine Trial’s , earning money from taking Baby’s from the Mother’s and farming them out to adoption folk in the USA, earning much income from the sweat of the Ladies working long hour’s to scrub the laundry of Hospital’s, Hotel’s etc, in their Magdalene Gulag’s, while the fear of God was beaten into them, being deprived of decent food, decent condition’s, decent education, and those that made it out of these institution’s , were traumatised, badly damaged, and certainly not qualified to face the world . That applies to nearly every man and woman that experienced these Institution’s.
To the Pope and the Irish Government, you both have a Legacy that is absolute nothing to be proud of, and all though i know their were good Priest’s and Nun’s , not to mention good TD’s, the fact that they were witness to the Abuse in their midst, THEY DONE NOTHING ABOUT IT! Yet they all knew, and i can prove that many complaint’s and allegation’s were simply swept under the carpet by the Irish Government.
Keep Strong Paddy, and thanks for all your hard work on Survivor’s behalf.
Jimmy.
There is so much misdirected energy associated with this Cause!
We need to be able to turn the Blind Rage in to Anger!
Anger into Frustration!
Frustration into Action!
Then Direct that Action for the good of the Cause!
I make it sound so easy!
I know it is not!
The one thing I do Know WE are all Passionate about this!
What WE Need is Focus!
Promote the Petition at Petitions.ie
Make sure every one understands that if they don’t click on the Confirmation in the Email they receive their vote won’t count!
We have lost so many Votes already, because people are not used to signing online Petitions.
This does not become law until it is read in Parliament!
Have they set a date?
That is our deadline!!
By the way Paddy, be glad to give you and Kathleen my full support to represent Survivor’s . Your respected and trusted , and give everyone here a chance to air their view’s, which is much appreciated.
Keep up the good work.
Kind regard’s
Jimmy.
P.S. Friends have been falling out because of the lack of understanding of the confirmation link at petitions.ie!
So if your friends have voted?
And their name isn’t there; Give them a gentle reminder!
Check here >
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
Hi Rob,
Not exactly sure what you mean by misdirected energy here, or if your post was directed to me after my posting to Paddy.
From where im standing , this site , i beleive, is for folk to talk to each other, and is for everybody to air their view’s, and my post was to Paddy, and not meant to offend anyone. Perhap’s im reading this wrong, and if that is the case, please allow me to state, that as regard’s anger, and frustration, i carry bucket load’s of that, and i will state that in my posting’s, and anywhere else i can. It is my way of showing my blind rage, and like many Survivor’s, i feel i have the right to. I would have no problem with Paddy or anyone else relaying my posting’s to the clergy or the Government, if it rattle’s their cage’s!
Apart from that, i do my fair share of fighting for our cause, and have the right to do it how i see fit, and to get the best effect.
Regard’s Jimmy.
Dear Jimmy,
My apologies if you feel that my comment was directed at you or this site? It was not! It was meant to be motivational! Your anger is always directed it the right direction, and your passion comes from the heart!
Dear Jimmy,
I have Just reread the posts I put up earlier and you post appeared in between 2 of mine that are linked the Misdirection that I refer to is that when I felt let down by my friend who said he would vote on the petition and I did not see his name I sent him an abrupt email, he had voted but did not click the confirmation email. This has happened quite a lot! And people where falling out with their friends as I almost did? I hope this makes it clearer
Your
Friend
Rob
Hi Rob, Thank’s for that, last thing i want to do is fall out with you or anyone like us,fighting our own corner’s, but united in our aim’s.
Sorry, i guess i misunderstood , your post after mine, thought it was directed at me. their ye go, show’s we are all effected by our background’s, and for my part, react badly if intimidated by anyone now a day’s . hope you understand.
Sexually abused, physicaly abused and menth-aly abused in my Childhood and Youth , has left me with this situation, hense my hatred of the R/C/Church. And the Irish Government.
Your doing us proud Rob, with all your help and advice, and i wish many other’s would take as much interest in our fight for fair play and justice,but i feel many have thrown in the towel, and , in their old age, have given up the ghost.
However, i know their are many , who have contacted the Irish Government, and various Ambassador’s througout the world, regarding our present situation,so , who know’s, perhap’s when the TD’s come back of their holiday’s, and see the mountain of Survivor’s protest’s , and the possibility that their will be lot’s of demonstration’s ,march’s, and even hunger strike’s outside the Dail, at the same time as the Pope visit’s the UK, plus the recent new’s that a man in the UK, is currently taking the R/C/Church to Court for abuse he suffered at the hand’s of a Catholic Priest in Preston. He is looking for £5 million pound’s, and i wish him luck. If he win’s, it will no doubt, reflect on the Irish Redress board badly, as they paid pennie’s to many , who were abused in Irish Institution’s, by many. On top of that, the publicity, will no doubt open up a can of worm’s,and bring out many other’s who experienced the same sexual abuse , while in care in Institution’s in the UK.
I hang on , very much to saying’s my Mother taught me Rob, one in particular, ” What goes round, come’s round!” I sincerily hope that is correct in this situation.
The R/C/Church , as far as i’m concerned, is evil, corrupt, and has the character of the Mafia, and Hitler. They are all up their together ! They have committed the very worst crime’s aginst mankind, and are very responsible for so much damage to so many througout the world.
My view is that the Irish Government want to be up their with them, as their attitude to Survivor’s request’s for fair play, show’s!
They are certainly well qualified , just look at the state they have their country in at present. Much like many of the UK Minister’s, they are all out for themselve’s, greedy and not worried about the folk they are supposed to represent.
The celtic tiger is banjaxed, Irish folk are emigrating again on a grand scale, and before long , i can see most of the Irish politition’s moving to their villa’s in
Portogul, Spain, and other exotic place’s,
to live out their live’s on all the money they fleeced out of their countrymen. Their attitude seem’s to be ” fk you jack, i’m allright”
Sorry Rob, but allthough i voted against the TrustFund, and signed petition’s, sent email’s etc, and expressed my view’s to the Government, I feel very strongly, that we should be fighting the Government for ALL the contribution’s the Religious left to us, the land’s, the property and cash. Whatever the land’s and Property are worth, they have it in their power to turn it it into cash, and distribute it between the Survivor’s.
They can find Million’s to donate to Pakistan, so why cant they find the solution to our problem’s. We are their people, and our cause merit’s much consideration. They are the Basket’s that are responsible for the crap in our live’s, the damage and abuse , the spoilt Childhood’s, Torture, Trauma, the Suicides,
the Cruelty man, the Clerical Paedophile’s, The breakup of family’s,The twisted Nun’s,
Imprisonment of Children, The Poor Children in Institution’s used as guinea pig’s, and not to mention the amount of Children born and farmed out to Resident’s of the USA, taken from their innocent Mother’s in their care at the Magdalan gulag’s througout Holy Ireland.
Rob, i’m not worried about the sharing of the measly £110 million, as you say , it would be just pennie’s , to everyone, BUT, the fact of the matter is , the Religious contributed Land, Property, and Cash, which if all converted to hard cash, would be enough to give everyone a fair deal, and also build the Hospital for Children. It would also allow the Government to arrest this situatin and put matter’s right for all Survivor’s. And maybe retrieve some respect. But , they can proceed with their proposed plan’s, and earn themselve’s the credibility they have built up , A LEGACY TO BE ASHAMED OF !!
Regard’s,
Jimmy.
Dear Kathy and May.
I was greatly saddened and surprised by your comments about me. I was of the understanding we were friends and on the same side.
We are all reaching for the same goal. Is it not better we unite and be as one.
Each and every one of us have suffered at the hands of the so called Religious. Let us put our sadness/anger to a positive route and shame the perpetrators.
Kathleen O’Malley.
The saying “United we stand, divided we fall” comes to mind as does “There’s strength in numbers”. Paddy
“For many are chilled, but few are frozen”
or is it , “Many are called, but few are chosen”
Whatever, all Survivor’s, i feel, should rally round and support each other, any bad feeling’s or apparent bitchiness between Survivor’s is not helping, it is just giving fodder for those that want to cause us more grief in our old age. Like the State is proposing, to deprieve us of our access to the Contribution’s the Religious wish us to have. We have all had our share of abuse in our live’s, which the Religious have admitted to , and want to redress their damage to us, by way of their contribution’s, and it is in all our common interest’s to let the Government know that their Proposed Trust Fund is not wanted by the majority of Survivor’s.
The total amount of Contribution’s,turned into cash, would enable the Government the opportunity to not only address the Survivor’s, but to build the Children’s Hospital, and call an end to this entire situation, allowing Survivor’s to achieve closure on their sad and damaged live’s.
The Government have the power to do what is right and just, and maybe restore some of the vast amount of respect they have lost over the year’s, the ball is now in their court, the world is very aware of the Pope’s visit soon to the UK, Do the Government really think it is a good idea to deprieve the Survivor’s of what the Religious wish them to have, at the same time as the Pope’s visit?
Keep Strong Survivor’s,
Jimmy.
Dear Jimmy I agree with everything you say!
The Truts Fund is about being considered, I want US to be considered then we can talk about the rest of the money!
Your
Friend
Rob
PS I hope you ALL cope with the rest the post!
I am Fuming angerier than I have been!!
Assets of C.O.R.I. Members
Source http://www.independent.ie/national-news/what-each-of-the-congregations-has-on-its-books-2141987.html
Christian Brothers
3.2
430
3.5
14
6.2
159
40.2
Total 656.1
Brothers of Charity
102
58
3.1
21.4
Total 184.5
Oblates of Mary Immaculate
8.5
5.6
12.4
12.1
1.9
5.7
8.4
Total 54.6
Presentation Brothers
21
6.3
21
Total 48.3
Sisters Of Mercy
412
256
200
59
71
Total 998
Presentation Sisters
98
218
154
11
Total 481
Sisters of Charity
207.2
26
64
85
53
5
Total 440.2
Grand Total 2862.7
Figures are in Million Euros
Is that 2.8 Billion give or take 62 million?
As we Welsh say “CHWARE TEG!”
Hi Rob, Thank’s for your kind comment’s, and the information on the asset’s of the CORI MEMBER’S. When you see how wealthy they , and the entire R/R/Curch, inc the Vatican, are , the mind boggle’s!
The Land, Property, and Cash that we are being made to beg for, will hardly make a dent in their fortune’s, and overall, i cant understand why the Religious cant access the total amount of money their contribution’s reflect , and redress the Survivor’s themselve’s, without the interference of the Irish Government. They know who we are, we all passed through their Institution’s, and i beleive it is in their power to secure the total funding from their Banker’s in Rome! But maybe i’m dreaming out loud, the reality being that they dont want to follow up their apoligy’s by putting the money where their mouth’s are!
Action’s are supposed to speak louder than mere word’s, so it would be nice to see some fair play and justice sparked off by the Irish State, in listening to what the majority of Survivor’e want, and taking the right course of Action. Their LEGACY is in their hand’s now, they have a chance to correct the many wrong’s they are responsible for down the year’s, and deliver to all Survivor’s , what the Religious wish us to have.
Regard’s Jimmy.
I have records given to me by the “Religious Archives” confirming each year that I had all of my inoculations and a good stable diet. (One sausage a year and one egg, if one didn’t laugh one would go demented) Why should I require Polio, Diphtheria Etc, annually? of course they used us as Guinea Pigs,
A without our Parents consent.
B. I dare say they were paid handsomely by the Drugs Company.
I challenge C.O.R.I.to deny this.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Just when I was feeling down and that my hard work was not paying off!
Someone! And YOU know who you are? Offered me a fully functioning Website for “The Shame Of Ireland”!
This is proof that God Exists; and he/she is on the side of the Survivors!
The website is PAID for! For 1 year!!!
I will let you know when I know more!!!
But I am sure you will want to join me in saying a big
THANK YOU!!
Your
Friend
Rob
I have just read “Childhood Interrupted” by our Friend and fellow Survivor, Kathleen O’Malley.
To date i have also read a number of other book’s ,written by Survivor’s, about their respective experience’s and live’s .All very well written and very commendible.
Kathleen’s book was , without doubt, very moving , very sad, and covered on the very matter’s that i feel clearly show the evil and sick way’s of the R/C/Church in it’s so called care and attention of the Children who had the unfortunate experience of passing through it Institution’s, Magdalan Laundrie’s, And Convent’s.
It was very interesting to note that Kathleen was honest in her assesment of the various Nun’s, and remarked on the kindness and care of any Nun ‘s that merited it. Sadly , only a handful, but i have the same view’s of some of the Clergy who were the same with me in my internment, again, sadly , only a handful. What has alway’s upset me however, is the fact that the good one’s knew about the abuse that went on, but done nothing about it, for one reason or another.
I would like to see Kathleen’s and all other Survivor’s book’s brought to the attention of the Pope, and all the Head’s of the Institution’s , Convent’s, etc, in Holy Ireland, and also The Irish Government.
Kathleen, in Her capacity of being a qualified Magistrate,and also a Victim of an Institution for a lot of her Childhood, is without doubt, an inspiration to me , and i beleive , many Survivor’s who are unable to air their view.s. In her book , Kathleen managed to get accross many area’s that i , and no doubt other’s here,have long wanted to say, and expose.
This further give’s me confidence in my previous view’s that Kathleen , along with Paddy , would do us proud in representing Survivor’s.
Be strong,
Jimmy.
Jimmy.
Thank you, as a Nation of Children we were treated worse than animals, removed from loving Families our crime was being born poor. We must not forget the Religious were beyond reproach, consequently the N.S.P.C.C., Judge McCarthy etc committed innocent Children to a life of Slavery including the State. Then by order from the Religious delivered us to these Institutions when they received a “Bounty” for each Child and they did not exercise a duty of care. Paddy don’t worry about me mentioning Judge McCarthy name, I have my Court papers and his name is registered there.
Jimmy I have yet to hear from a Survivor who could not relate to my Book. One would think the Religious Orders attended a University and qualified there in “Domestivc Violence” and Sexual Abuse. Even hardened Criminals do not abuse Children.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Well said Jimmy!
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” – Edmund Burke
It is this that spurs me on to try and do something for our cause everyday! And I am sure that Paddy Kate and the rest of us have a similar single phrase that drives us all!
Where were these “Good Men” and “Good Women” during the Commission into Child Abuse?
Where are they now when we are seeking Justice over the Indemnity Deal? The Perpetrators of the deeds is the Industrial schools will not be prosecuted because of the “Hearsay” nature of the complaints at the “Redress Board”; and the fact that it was not a properly convened “Court”! In spite of its hostile nature against those bringing evidence?
Where are these Good Men and Women now?
Can we find them?
Can we get them to break their vow of silence??
They could help us in our struggle for real “Justice”?
Your
Friend
Rob
Christine West, Mrs Buckley why did you using funding you receive for your group to Promote yourself for an award. Websites are all just about you ,you do NOT represent 98 per cent of the real Victims this Illegal statuary Trust Fund that you want of course,IS so you can keep receiving large funding for YOURSELF, your friends and family,while real Victims have been pushed out in the cold some Bullied into silence ,I HEARD THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TO SECRET MEETINGS WITH MARY COUGHLAN AS TO WHAT;YOU BELIEVE SHOULD HAPPEN TO VICTIMS COMPENSATION ,HOW DARE YOU . Mr and Mrs Waters who claim to represent survivors HOW???? what happened to the huge funding they were given ????for Avoca House which has been and is let out to Polish, Russian, ECT ; none of you will represent me and Never WHY ARE VICTIMS OF INDUSTRIAL REFORMATORY’S STILL HOMELESS ,ALONE,SICK, many have had no help in tracing siblings and had to rely on the SALVATION ARMY for that help,many without success,Many who made the first trip back have had to be TOURISTS staying in hotels and found that there was NO help at all from any quarter many ended up at the office of Barnardos seeking help in finding siblings or lost Family members ,,None of the so called Group ‘s wanted to know ,Nova was a total waste of time,of those of us who spent our childhoods in goldenbridge reformatory from 1930-1963 many sadly have died ,most that are still alive live in; EXILE, in many different country’s in the world WHICH DON’T BELONG TO ANY GROUP. all those groups who apply for funding must OPEN their books and show all the names you say you represent and where every Euro accounted for in the public domain,as for this statuary trust fund idea that is to hold Victims Back in SILENCE so we have to go with a begging bowl to be told to Get lost, every Victim in order to move on from our brutal cruel dark past must be Properly Compensated individually well away from Groups. NO TO THE STATUARY TRUST FUND, IT’S A CON
when the so called religious orders stole babies and sold them to rich American’s and others were they NOT only thinking of the money they made??when the religious orders were using irish children as slave labour were they NOT thinking of the money they made which they spent on buying more property for themselves for themselves.Now the irish Government are thinking of keeping the money owed to victims ,are they NOT only thinking of the Money ??group leaders SO CALLED self appointment , are they NOT only thinking of the money they will get ???????
Have you voted at
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
when you yote you need to click on a confirmation link for your vote to be counted!
Paddy will be able to use this as mandate to bring the vaccine trail to the public!
If you are on Facebook Join the “Shame Of Ireland” also available on yahoogroups!
We will soon have our own website!!
Will update you when I know more!
Your
Friend
Rob.
Setting up website for “Shame Of Ireland” as we speak! Tell me what features you want? It belongs to YOU!!
I will Try and accomodate as many features as I can!
Discusion will be carried out on “The God Squad” Where it Belongs!! This I hope with Paddys approval will act as a “Sister Site” with voting on issues that we feel strongly about! “Representation without Leadership”
If I can fine tune it we can VOTE on ALL ISSUES and have what has never been done before MANDATED SPOKES PEOPLE!!
Democracy Inclusion and Transparency for ALL I hope YOU ALL! APPPROVE???
ideas to
rob.northall@ntlworld.com
PLEASE???
Your Friend Rob
The Statutory Fund will become Law when it is Read in the Parliament some time this month.
The Petition is standing at a disappointing 194?
I have contacted Petitions.ie about difficulties for the second time but don’t expect a reply??
Any one had a reply to their CONSULTATION?? I haven’t???
Going to ask them why? Thought Consultation was a 2 way thing?
Your
Friend
Rob
Rob
You are quite right Consultation is suposed to be a two way
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_consultation
Good Morning.
Last night the BBC2 gave a full airing to the Pope and his cronies, exposing their massive cover up on “Child Sexual Abuse”.
The Catholic Church can no longer pretend to be INNOCENT. How the Pope can continue with his visit to the U.K. is beyond me. He can have no self respect. We have waited for this for a long time.
Of course this trip is all about Raising more money for the the Church and his “Prada Shoes”. I can’t remember ever seeing Christ wearing designer shoes.
Keep your replies going on what your views are.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Phil, I think it is time we all reminded them that consultation is a 2 way street; don’t you?
The Administration Costs alone for the setting up of the Illegal Statuary Trust will EAT A VAST CHUNK of THAT compensation. THEN THE MASSIVE WAGES AND ADDED COSTS CLAIMED BY THE ADMINISTRATOR’S MANAGEMENT,LAWYERS THEIR SECRETARIES ,WAGES FOR THIS AND THAT AND COSTS ,AND OTHER STAFF. O’H YES LETS NOT FORGET THE SO CALLED GROUP LEADERS KISSING THE GOVERNMENTS A****.
Hi Folk’s , Yes, today i had a reply from the Education Office, indicating that all submission’s and comment’s are to be looked at and cosidered , before their autumn meeting, and i understand our friend in Canada,Seanie, also got the same reply. Rob, you have my permission to put it on here if you like.
Regard’s Jimmy.
I got an email from the department today to say they received my submission re the fund.
So did I. Happy days are here again!!!!! Paddy.
PS to my last post!
The mail address on the reply is “The Stautory Fund”????? Many Questions???
Your Friend Rob
only when they hand back the 500 mil !!!
I had a reply too. Now I guess we wait to see
if they will carry out their plan regardless of our views.
This is alve!
and soon to be Kicking!
May be a few structural changes
But will continue to function
I would prefer it if ther where no “user names” as we are all friends (Transparency)
http://shameofireland.co.uk
any questions???
rob.northall@ntlworld.com
Most victims do not live in Ireland nor the UK,I have never used any of the so called services,years ago *I tried to find help in finding siblings none of the so called services wanted to know I travelled a very long way to Ireland first visit back I only had 12 days went to Nova I had rung up first when I got there the person there told me to go upstairs and have a cup of tea ,that was it, no one wanted to talk with me no help whatever except one damaged woman told me not to go to the Aislinn when I told her my name I asked why and was told Mrs B had said if anyone sees me not to talk to me I wonder why??since I have had no contact since GB perhaps she is paid and has been to keep older victims away well out of the limelight not only in case we take some of her fame ,but more-so she has been doing the governments work and well paid for it she is the one who had it easy compared to most of us in GB that is the truth. Why would any government hand over a very expensive building with huge funding to anyone ? I always smelt a Huge RAT
Hi Everyone.
I have just received a reply from the Statutory Fund, acknowledging my letter. It has no “Heading” and could have been typed by anyone I would be so bold as to hazard a guess that this is a response to placate us so that we go away and be happy. What do we have to do for the Irish Government to take notice of us, they are and always have been a Law unto themselves. Is this the exact copy that you have received. Is there any weight to this?
Kathleen O’Malley.
Dear Ms O’Malley,
Statutory Fund show details 15:51 (2 hours ago)
I wish to acknowledge receipt of your e-mail of 29 August regarding the proposed Statutory Fund to support the needs of survivors of Residential Institutional Child Abuse. All comments and submissions received as part of the consultation process are being examined. The precise arrangements for the Statutory Fund will be considered by the Government and it is anticipated that the relevant legislation will be brought before Dáil Éireann in the Autumn.
Yours sincerely,
Aongus Ó hAonghusa,
Assistant Principal Officer,
Residential Institutions Redress Unit,
Department of Education and Skills,
Marlborough Street
Dublin 1.
Tel: 01-8892014
Kathleen, I guess we all got the same reply.
Rob, why wait till end of September with the petition, the legislation could be put through before then.?
what T D has stepped up to the plate and made sure us survivors get justice ! survivors i hate the word but that is what i am !! daily weekly at times hourly … 52 weeks of the year i survive !